[keycloak-dev] Release cadence

[Scott Rossillo]

I don’t believe agile can be mastered. ;)

IMO, for something like Keycloak, I think you should do CRs at the end of a
development sprint and then do a release sprint for final versions.

We release to prod multiple times a day. However, liked LinkedIn we’re a
SAAS product. What works for SAAS doesn’t translate into a workable plan
for installed, on premises software like Keycloak.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:02 PM Stan Silvert <ssilvert at redhat.com> wrote:

> My Agile is extremely outdated, but I used to be very well versed in the
> ways of XP, the granddaddy of Agile.  So if anything I say is outdated
> Agile thinking, let me know.
>
> Our build should be ready for release at any time.  I think that's still
> an Agile principle?
>
> By definition, we should release at the end of each sprint. Otherwise,
> you are really doing a 6 week sprint instead of 3.
>
> The reason we release is to get feedback.  So a sprint should only
> contain something that is useful and complete.  And by complete, I mean
> it does something useful (circular logic, I know).  If it's not ready to
> do something useful, you don't merge it.  Just save it for the next sprint.
>
> But if you do a "pretend" sprint and then do a "release" sprint, you are
> really just doing a longer sprint with double the planning.  Any
> developer will start to think in terms of things that can be completed
> in 6 weeks instead of 3.  Plus, you have a delay in getting feedback.
>
> I personally don't care if we do 3 week sprints or 6 week sprints.  But
> we shouldn't do a sprint without a release.
>
> BTW, open source methodology just says "release early and release
> often".  Same concept, really.
>
> One more thing: Next week I'm attending a talk about how LinkedIn
> releases to production three times a day.  Now that's extreme!
>
> On 1/25/2018 2:11 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> > Up until now we've released Keycloak roughly every 6 weeks. We're now
> > switching to 3 week sprints, which opens up the possibility to change how
> > frequently we release Keycloak.
> >
> > We could keep it at 6 weeks (release every other sprint), do a release
> > every 3 weeks or release less frequently (9 weeks perhaps).
> >
> > Thoughts?
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