[rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on Drools
Bruno Unna
bruno.unna at gmail.com
Wed Sep 1 05:07:08 EDT 2010
Yusuke: I don't know you. You don't know me. Why are you bothering me?
I read this list's messages because I'm interested in the technical
matters of Drools. Your personal grievances are not a business of
mine, and that's the way I'd like to keep it. Please try to understand
it at once.
Respect me and I will respect you.
On 01/09/2010, at 6:33, 山本 裕介 wrote:
> Yes, it's already in progress. No joke.
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Greg Barton wrote:
>
>> If you allege illegal actions, you'd better be prepared to take
>> that up in a court of law. No joke. If you think laws were
>> broken, get yourself a lawyer and pursue the matter in the proper
>> venue.
>>
>> This is not the proper venue.
>>
>> Now that you have alleged illegal behavior I will no longer discuss
>> this with you.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on
>> Drools
>> To: "Rules Dev List" <rules-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:41 PM
>>
>> At the time of submission, I was not aware that Red Hat is a
>> company that commits illegal actions.
>> And now I'm "explicitly stating" that I do not wish to include my
>> work to the project.
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Greg Barton wrote:
>>
>>> See http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>>>
>>> "5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state
>>> otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion
>>> in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and
>>> conditions of this License, without any additional terms or
>>> conditions. Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein shall
>>> supersede or modify the terms of any separate license agreement
>>> you may have executed with Licensor regarding such Contributions."
>>>
>>> Did you, at the time of submission, have a separate agreement? In
>>> writing? Signed by all parties?
>>>
>>> GreG
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 20:50, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
>>>>> you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
>>>>> determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
>>>>> your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
>>>>> considers this matter closed.
>>>>
>>>> Richard didn't explain that.
>>>> I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message
>>>> resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't
>>>> matter. I'm not paid for the task.
>>>>
>>>> "At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the
>>>> Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change
>>>> your mind."
>>>> My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their
>>>> contributions usually. That is how OSS works.
>>>> Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources,
>>>> program codes is the originator.
>>>> I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell
>>>> that I willingly give away the copyright to the project.
>>>> Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder)
>>>> should be able to decide the license at a later date.
>>>>
>>>> Richard, any comment?
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright
>>>>> holder? (ie these changes were copied in violation of that
>>>>> copyright in the first place) - or a case of changing-minds
>>>>> about rights to the commits of the original work? (if the latter
>>>>> then close the issue - nothing can or should be done - as it is
>>>>> a licencing issue then, not a copyright issue, and as Mark says
>>>>> the licence doesn't permit that revoking).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Yusuke,
>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects
>>>>> you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
>>>>> determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute
>>>>> your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and
>>>>> considers this matter closed. If you have any further need to
>>>>> discuss this please do so with Red Hat legal, - you have their
>>>>> contact details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the
>>>>> time, you cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how
>>>>> OSS licensing works. At the time the code was contributed in
>>>>> good faith under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at a
>>>>> later date to change your mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL or
>>>>> LGPL or GPL, are designed specifically to provide certainty in
>>>>> that area. Without this level of certainty end user OSS adoption
>>>>> would be a minefield as every time developers fall out, which
>>>>> happens often, one could demand all their code be removed and
>>>>> this would impact everyone who has invested time installing that
>>>>> software in production systems.
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>> I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files.
>>>>>> The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the
>>>>>> Jira issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Yusuke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right
>>>>>>> place, but you are only asking to rollback your changes right?
>>>>>>> who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo?
>>>>>>> I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided
>>>>>>> to withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. "
>>>>>>> can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn
>>>>>>> why you want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious.
>>>>>>> Greetings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介
>>>>>>> <yamamoyu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > GreG
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release.
>>>>>>> > Please remove the changes listed in the following issue.
>>>>>>> > https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>> > Yusuke
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