[seam-dev] Re: [Seam Dev] Re: EJB3/JNDI bindings/ordering

[Scott M Stark]

The issue was not about requiring xml, it was about having a declaration 
of the ejb dependency via an annotation, @EJB. In the absence of that, 
we said we would support a default behavior to ensure web apps started 
after any ejbs in the deployment. Its all part of the on going reworking 
of the dependency injection work, due to be completed in the next 3-4 weeks.

Carlo de Wolf wrote:
> Pete Muir wrote:
>> I fought quite extensively over this and I'm not really prepared to 
>> spend (waste) any more time on it.
>>
>> TBH, I'm not even sure that anyone from EJB3/AS/MC actually gets what 
>> this feature actually is and why it is important *. The main 
>> discussion the EJB3/AS/MC guys wanted to have seemed to be over who 
>> was to "blame" for Seam apps not running on AS5, a discussion which I 
>> have absolutely no interest in pursuing *.
>
> I think we get the feature and know why we all want it. I keep running 
> into similar issues myself 
> (http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=132269).
>
> But currently we're at a stalemate here and I'm out of moves.
>
>> In fact, this whole discussion (and other similar ones) left me 
>> pretty sour in the mouth. The general impression I got was that Seam 
>> as a vehicle for pushing EJB3 wasn't interesting for the EJB3 guys, 
>> from which I formed the conclusion that we would probably be better 
>> off concentrating on the Seam JavaBean component model.
>>
>> And so, if anyone else wants to pick up the AS5 integration 
>> work/liaison from me, please do!
>>
>> * There are a couple of exceptions to this of course
>>
>> On 29 Mar 2008, at 14:25, Gavin King wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, we definitely can't say that Seam supports JBoss5 until this
>>> feature is back in.
>
> You got my vote.
>
>>> One of the critical selling features of Seam is that no XML is
>>> required to declare a component.
>>>
>>> Anyway, this feature will be in the next rev of EJB.
>
> Either you mean JavaEE or I missed something. I don't see it in the 
> latest EJB3.1 draft, maybe it should be raised?
>
> Carlo
>
>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   From an interop perspective this feature is a good seperator with
>>>>>  other containers, especially for beginers.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Not worrying about populating web.XML makes learning and getting
>>>>>  started easier.
>>>>>
>>>>>  My $0.02
>>>>>  Jay
>>>>
>>>>  I'm a little late to the game with this response, but I want to point
>>>>  out that a number of Seam/JBoss developers cited this feature while
>>>>  bragging about why JBoss AS is better than alternative application
>>>>  servers. By taking the feature away, it results mouths stuffed with
>>>>  feet. Besides, "configuration by exception" is the very saving grace
>>>>  of the platform and this is a prime candidate for such a pattern.
>>>>
>>>>  My dime. Sent from a computer I don't own.
>>>>
>>>>  -Dan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Gavin King
>>> gavin.king at gmail.com
>>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin
>>> http://hibernate.org
>>> http://seamframework.org
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Pete Muir
>> http://www.seamframework.org
>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
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