[seam-dev] BI integration

[Dan Allen]

>From feedback I have received from my former product manager, iReports is
the best user interface for developing reports (though still a bit cludgy).
But that is just his opinion. I can contact another developer friend of mine
who has spent loads of time working with all three tools and see if he has
an opinion.

-Dan

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:

> I think we need to consider how good the designers are for these projects,
> and how well the designers integrate into Eclipse.
>
> On 13 Oct 2008, at 21:16, Dan Allen wrote:
>
> Whatever we choose, we should start with just one (as we did with jBPM),
> but keep the design open to support multiple providers. I say that because
> we are going to learn a lot on the first go around and we don't want to
> spend too much time down in the weeds early on. I am inclined to say either
> JasperReports or Pentaho. The benefit of JasperReports is that there are
> already a lot of integrations available (one of which is the Spring
> integration which many of us have used at one point or another) so we can
> learn from them as we formulate our own ideas. But don't let that be the
> final word.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero <
> sanne.grinovero at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> please, don't forget Pentaho.
>> they were looking very good already, and are improving a lot and at a
>> very fast pace.
>> additionally they have strong bounds with JBoss, as it's the default
>> platform.
>>
>> Sanne
>>
>> 2008/10/13 Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>:
>> > So, I guess the question is, do we want to do Jasper or BIRT?
>> > On 13 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Dan Allen wrote:
>> >
>> > Pete,
>> >
>> > I think the main focus here is on the responsibility of who creates the
>> > reports. The excel stuff is superb for developers who need to create
>> reports
>> > for management, etc. The BI is about management designing the reports
>> and
>> > the developers feeding the parameters to it from the UI (and all the
>> > security and context that goes along with it).
>> >
>> > The main focus for this relationship, and the one we should keep in mind
>> > when designing it, is that you want to try to break the need to wait on
>> the
>> > developer to get a report through the system. Not only does this slow
>> things
>> > down, it ties up developer resources. At my previous job, we had a huge
>> > problem with this because there was a neverending need to customize
>> reports
>> > for customers and thus the process was not scalable. BI is about putting
>> the
>> > consumers (or designers) of the reports in control.
>> >
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Snjezana has written some BIRT/Seam integration. But it needs a way to
>> be
>> >> used outside of Eclipse (she has no ant or maven targets, you must
>> build
>> >> your project with Eclipse).
>> >>
>> >> But anyway, what does this offer over Seam PDF/Excel w/ VPE support?
>> >>
>> >> On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Dan Allen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I've brought up this point informally a couple of times, but I want to
>> >>> make a more formal statement. I think we need to put some sort of BI
>> >>> integration on the roadmap, mostly likely being with JasperReports.
>> >>> Perhaps we can start brainstorming on how this integration might look
>> >>> and then create some JIRAs for those features. For example, here's an
>> >>> article on how Spring integrates with JasperReports.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow
>> >>>
>> >>> My intention is not to try to outdo Spring, but rather to say that we
>> >>> need to offer something native within Seam. I just spoke to former
>> >>> colleagues last week and they are using JasperServer with JSF, but
>> >>> mentioned that they had to do some glue code to get it all working
>> >>> together.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Dan
>> >>>
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