[seam-dev] BI integration

Mon Oct 13 16:37:35 EDT 2008

Something like
<bi:output engine="birt" format="pdf" report="foo.xml"/> with nested
<bi:engineConfig/> and <bi:reportParam/> with key, valude attrs?

On 10/13/08, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >From feedback I have received from my former product manager, iReports is
> the best user interface for developing reports (though still a bit cludgy).
> But that is just his opinion. I can contact another developer friend of mine
> who has spent loads of time working with all three tools and see if he has
> an opinion.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we need to consider how good the designers are for these projects,
>> and how well the designers integrate into Eclipse.
>>
>> On 13 Oct 2008, at 21:16, Dan Allen wrote:
>>
>> Whatever we choose, we should start with just one (as we did with jBPM),
>> but keep the design open to support multiple providers. I say that because
>> we are going to learn a lot on the first go around and we don't want to
>> spend too much time down in the weeds early on. I am inclined to say
>> either
>> JasperReports or Pentaho. The benefit of JasperReports is that there are
>> already a lot of integrations available (one of which is the Spring
>> integration which many of us have used at one point or another) so we can
>> learn from them as we formulate our own ideas. But don't let that be the
>> final word.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero <
>> sanne.grinovero at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> please, don't forget Pentaho.
>>> they were looking very good already, and are improving a lot and at a
>>> very fast pace.
>>> additionally they have strong bounds with JBoss, as it's the default
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> Sanne
>>>
>>> 2008/10/13 Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>:
>>> > So, I guess the question is, do we want to do Jasper or BIRT?
>>> > On 13 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Dan Allen wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Pete,
>>> >
>>> > I think the main focus here is on the responsibility of who creates the
>>> > reports. The excel stuff is superb for developers who need to create
>>> reports
>>> > for management, etc. The BI is about management designing the reports
>>> and
>>> > the developers feeding the parameters to it from the UI (and all the
>>> > security and context that goes along with it).
>>> >
>>> > The main focus for this relationship, and the one we should keep in
>>> > mind
>>> > when designing it, is that you want to try to break the need to wait on
>>> the
>>> > developer to get a report through the system. Not only does this slow
>>> things
>>> > down, it ties up developer resources. At my previous job, we had a huge
>>> > problem with this because there was a neverending need to customize
>>> reports
>>> > for customers and thus the process was not scalable. BI is about
>>> > putting
>>> the
>>> > consumers (or designers) of the reports in control.
>>> >
>>> > -Dan
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Snjezana has written some BIRT/Seam integration. But it needs a way to
>>> be
>>> >> used outside of Eclipse (she has no ant or maven targets, you must
>>> build
>>> >> your project with Eclipse).
>>> >>
>>> >> But anyway, what does this offer over Seam PDF/Excel w/ VPE support?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Dan Allen wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I've brought up this point informally a couple of times, but I want
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> make a more formal statement. I think we need to put some sort of BI
>>> >>> integration on the roadmap, mostly likely being with JasperReports.
>>> >>> Perhaps we can start brainstorming on how this integration might look
>>> >>> and then create some JIRAs for those features. For example, here's an
>>> >>> article on how Spring integrates with JasperReports.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My intention is not to try to outdo Spring, but rather to say that we
>>> >>> need to offer something native within Seam. I just spoke to former
>>> >>> colleagues last week and they are using JasperServer with JSF, but
>>> >>> mentioned that they had to do some glue code to get it all working
>>> >>> together.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Dan
>>> >>>
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