[teiid-designer-dev] Re: [teiid-dev] 6.1 Release

[John Doyle]

I'm not really interested in criticizing the 6.0 release, but I'm interested in learning from it and doing better.  I think all future releases of Teiid have to have some tooling that works with it.  If it's the previous version of Designer that supports it with the exception of new features X and Y, then I think that's acceptable alternative.  If it's the forthcoming alternative tooling, that's fine too.  I think it greatly undermines the value of a the release, and is the best way to make a patch release a probability, but it's an improvement.  But I think every release has to have tooling that works on the day we release or none of them will matter to users.  Can we agree to that?

IMHO, I think we should break the releases apart only when we have the modularity allows us to do it in a verifiable way.  Until we have APIs and SPIs that aren't in flux, how will we know and communicate to the community which version of our tools work with which version of Teiid?  This seems to me like more work in the long run if we do it without the technical underpinnings already in place.  Let's complete the modularization and then cut the cord.

Can you expand on what you mean by "the independent nature of Teiid development"?

~jd
----- "Steven Hawkins" <shawkins at redhat.com> wrote:

> What seems to be disturbing everyone is what the definition of a
> community release is.  Ultimately that's up to the community, so kudos
> to us for having this discussion.  Also, I don't take John's comment
> below as inflammatory, rather many of you heard me say the same prior
> to open sourcing that notion of a Teiid only initial release was
> immaterial from the perspective of most end users (but not connector
> developers).
> 
> In a perfect world with respect to initial community releases, they
> would have been done at the edge of a productization cycle.  Our
> timing was instead to go open source (or at least make public
> announcements) in the middle of a development cycle.  The 6.0.0
> release of Teiid from an product perspective would be a milestone, but
> was done for the community for two reasons.  First it was considered
> desirable to have a release close to the project announcement date. 
> The other reason, which is more important, was to establish the
> independent nature of Teiid development.  We may not all agree with
> those points, but there it stands. 
> 
> To sum up the best parts of this discussion:
> 
> Does the Teiid 6.0.0 release matter to most users - Not really.
> 
> Will there be synchronization between future Teiid and Teiid Designer
> releases - Not really.
> 
> Will we be in the habit of patch releases - Not really.
> 
> Do we need modularize our software more - Yes.  A better separation of
> Teiid Designer's usage of Teiid's code, separating out projects for
> "large" connectors, soap services, etc.  
> All need to be explored.  We've made the jump from 1 code base to 3,
> we can do more if needed.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Verhaeg" <jverhaeg at redhat.com>
> To: "John Doyle" <jdoyle at redhat.com>
> Cc: teiid-designer-dev at lists.jboss.org, teiid-dev at lists.jboss.org,
> "Van Halbert" <vhalbert at redhat.com>, "Steven Hawkins"
> <shawkins at redhat.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:36:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
> Central
> Subject: Re: [teiid-designer-dev] Re: [teiid-dev] 6.1 Release
> 
> 
> On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:29 AM, John Doyle wrote:
> 
> >
> > I agree with this as long as the predicate is that there is a  
> > version of tooling (Designer or other) that we have validated to  
> > work with the Teiid release (excepting the new features in the Teiid
>  
> > release as you described above).
> >
> 
> Agreed.  That's why I'm pretty much considering Teiid as a whole as  
> unreleased, regardless of what version the Teiid Server team is  
> working on.  The difficult part is figuring out a way to convey this 
> 
> effectively to the community.  Backing off a little on what I said  
> before, it certainly would have been ideal in my mind if the very  
> first version of Teiid wasn't released until Designer was ready, but 
> 
> that ship has sailed.

-- 
John Doyle
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