[weld-dev] My take on Spring3

[Piotr Steininger]

Gavin,

One thing to add to your comment is that they have done nothing to Spring
Webflow, which on  the cover, promises the scopes/context that Seam 2
delivered (primarily the conversation scope). I had the misfortune of being
forced to use the Spring stack on one of my engagements, after having great
success with Seam on another project. I can't explain how harrowing of an
effort it was to get Webflow working even remotely like Seam (in Webflow all
conversation scoped beans had to be manually defined in the xml). And the
docs - yes there are some, but extremely minuscule for JSF integration and
absolutely NO mention of necessary JSF 1.2 configuration, which I had to
figure out on my own.

I also had to make it work with Spring Security - this one is clunky and
difficult to set up, no to mention buggy. Yes, the security was bumped to
3.0.0 and aligned with JSR-250, but where in the world are the docs?! There
aren't any for 3.0, and the ones for 2.x aren't any better than the ones for
Webflow.

As a software architect who often gets to decide the technology stack (but
sometimes gets overruled :( ), I look for a complete *ecosystem* for the
application I'm designing, not just individual pieces with big promises. I
need stuff that works, works well, and works together. Not only that, I look
for something simple, maintainable and maintained by a strong community. And
my measure of strong community is the quality of documentation and access to
knowledgeable resources, without support contracts.

This is where Spring falls entire short of its promises, yet again. So my
time and money are with CDI and Seam.

Thanks for your advocacy and hard work!

Piotr

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gavin King <gavin.king at gmail.com> wrote:

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