[weld-dev] (embedded JBoss plugin?) Re: persistence and transactions outside Java EE

[Dan Allen]

Great points Steven.

Btw, just to add to this discussion, Andrew Rubinger (who we just call ALR)
just informed me of progress on running embedded JBoss from Maven. I haven't
tried it yet because I am currently preparing for JSF Summit, but perhaps
you'll have a chance to stomp on it after getting some turkey, Steven. Or
anyone else.

http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAutomationviaMaven

It would be great to provide ALR with feedback early so that we can get this
right.

-Dan

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven Boscarine <
steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Dan Allen wrote:
>
>> You are correct that for various reasons, many developers are fixated on
>> Tomcat and Jetty. However, I do believe that if there are embeddable Java EE
>> alternatives, such as Embedded JBoss AS, then the grip on servlet containers
>> will loosen.
>>
> I agree with Dan very strongly.  The sooner there's a JEE6 container that
> can be launched from maven, like Jetty or Tomcat can now, the "stickier"
> JEE6 will become and adoption rates will increase.
> The more steps in an evaluation that cannot be scripted the greater chance
> that the user will either make a mistake or find something else to do, like
> get back to work.  :)
>
> IMO, a key group of developers you'd want to target are very busy people.
>  For many of them, when they are evaluating new software, it is often at the
> expense of tasks that their management thinks is of higher priority.  When
> they are checking out Weld or JSF2, they're often not doing what their
> manager wants them to do.
> If we make evaluating a technology easy and pleasant, I think they'll be
> more likely to want to go further and adopt the technology, tell their
> friends, train coworkers, contribute, schedule training, buy books, buy
> support contracts, hire consultants, etc.  In my experience, busy developers
> are often employed by successful companies who have reasonable budgets.  If
> the getting started procedure is frustrating, I think they're more likely to
> stop playing with new technology and just continue using their current
> technology (like struts or even pure JSP + Servlets), get back to work, etc.
>
> Currently, GlassFish v3 can be launched from Maven, but it was a side
> project by Koshuke Kawaguchi
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/04/28/glassfish-v3-just-got-embeddable It is not as well documented as Jetty and doesn't auto-deploy modified
> classes.  It even shares the same plugin name (but different package) as the
> official Glassfish plugin which controls a locally installed plugin, making
> the plugin very confusing.
> I heard a rumor JBoss is working on an embeddable version of JBossAS which
> will have a maven plugin which will download and run a container like the
> Tomcat plugin.  The instant it resembles a working product, I'll happily
> include it in the archetypes as I think it'll go a long way towards
> increasing JEE6 adoption.  It'll make writing applications much easier for
> the user and make documenting how to get started a breeze for contributers
> like me.
> Thanks,
> Steven
>
> PS-If anyone hasn't yet used the Tomcat/Jetty/Glassfish plugins, I have an
> old blog post explaining how to use them here:
> http://info.rmatics.org/2009/04/02/increasing-your-productivity-by-using-an-embedded-container-in-maven/
>



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