[weld-dev] (embedded JBoss plugin?) Re: persistence and transactions outside Java EE

[Dan Allen]

You might find the API helpful as well:

http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAPIGuide

Nice to see movement on this.

-Dan

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great points Steven.
>
> Btw, just to add to this discussion, Andrew Rubinger (who we just call ALR)
> just informed me of progress on running embedded JBoss from Maven. I haven't
> tried it yet because I am currently preparing for JSF Summit, but perhaps
> you'll have a chance to stomp on it after getting some turkey, Steven. Or
> anyone else.
>
> http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAutomationviaMaven
>
> It would be great to provide ALR with feedback early so that we can get
> this right.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven Boscarine <
> steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dan Allen wrote:
>>
>>> You are correct that for various reasons, many developers are fixated on
>>> Tomcat and Jetty. However, I do believe that if there are embeddable Java EE
>>> alternatives, such as Embedded JBoss AS, then the grip on servlet containers
>>> will loosen.
>>>
>> I agree with Dan very strongly.  The sooner there's a JEE6 container that
>> can be launched from maven, like Jetty or Tomcat can now, the "stickier"
>> JEE6 will become and adoption rates will increase.
>> The more steps in an evaluation that cannot be scripted the greater chance
>> that the user will either make a mistake or find something else to do, like
>> get back to work.  :)
>>
>> IMO, a key group of developers you'd want to target are very busy people.
>>  For many of them, when they are evaluating new software, it is often at the
>> expense of tasks that their management thinks is of higher priority.  When
>> they are checking out Weld or JSF2, they're often not doing what their
>> manager wants them to do.
>> If we make evaluating a technology easy and pleasant, I think they'll be
>> more likely to want to go further and adopt the technology, tell their
>> friends, train coworkers, contribute, schedule training, buy books, buy
>> support contracts, hire consultants, etc.  In my experience, busy developers
>> are often employed by successful companies who have reasonable budgets.  If
>> the getting started procedure is frustrating, I think they're more likely to
>> stop playing with new technology and just continue using their current
>> technology (like struts or even pure JSP + Servlets), get back to work, etc.
>>
>> Currently, GlassFish v3 can be launched from Maven, but it was a side
>> project by Koshuke Kawaguchi
>> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/04/28/glassfish-v3-just-got-embeddable It is not as well documented as Jetty and doesn't auto-deploy modified
>> classes.  It even shares the same plugin name (but different package) as the
>> official Glassfish plugin which controls a locally installed plugin, making
>> the plugin very confusing.
>> I heard a rumor JBoss is working on an embeddable version of JBossAS which
>> will have a maven plugin which will download and run a container like the
>> Tomcat plugin.  The instant it resembles a working product, I'll happily
>> include it in the archetypes as I think it'll go a long way towards
>> increasing JEE6 adoption.  It'll make writing applications much easier for
>> the user and make documenting how to get started a breeze for contributers
>> like me.
>> Thanks,
>> Steven
>>
>> PS-If anyone hasn't yet used the Tomcat/Jetty/Glassfish plugins, I have an
>> old blog post explaining how to use them here:
>> http://info.rmatics.org/2009/04/02/increasing-your-productivity-by-using-an-embedded-container-in-maven/
>>
>
>
>
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> Registered Linux User #231597
>
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