[weld-dev] (embedded JBoss plugin?) Re: persistence and transactions outside Java EE

[Pete Muir]

Add the right Andrew :-)

On 26 Nov 2009, at 04:44, Steven Boscarine wrote:

> Hello Andrew
> I looked at the page, but haven't yet stepped through the source code. 
> 
> Is there a means of launching the plugin outside of an integration test? 
> 
> Does this use JBoss6?
> 
> I am trying to get a JEE equivalent of Jetty's behavior when you launch 
> 'mvn jetty:run'
> 
> Thanks,
> Steven
> 
> Dan Allen wrote:
>> Great points Steven.
>> 
>> Btw, just to add to this discussion, Andrew Rubinger (who we just call 
>> ALR) just informed me of progress on running embedded JBoss from 
>> Maven. I haven't tried it yet because I am currently preparing for JSF 
>> Summit, but perhaps you'll have a chance to stomp on it after getting 
>> some turkey, Steven. Or anyone else.
>> 
>> http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAutomationviaMaven
>> 
>> It would be great to provide ALR with feedback early so that we can 
>> get this right.
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven Boscarine 
>> <steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu 
>> <mailto:steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Dan Allen wrote:
>> 
>>        You are correct that for various reasons, many developers are
>>        fixated on Tomcat and Jetty. However, I do believe that if
>>        there are embeddable Java EE alternatives, such as Embedded
>>        JBoss AS, then the grip on servlet containers will loosen.
>> 
>>    I agree with Dan very strongly.  The sooner there's a JEE6
>>    container that can be launched from maven, like Jetty or Tomcat
>>    can now, the "stickier" JEE6 will become and adoption rates will
>>    increase.
>>    The more steps in an evaluation that cannot be scripted the
>>    greater chance that the user will either make a mistake or find
>>    something else to do, like get back to work.  :)
>> 
>>    IMO, a key group of developers you'd want to target are very busy
>>    people.  For many of them, when they are evaluating new software,
>>    it is often at the expense of tasks that their management thinks
>>    is of higher priority.  When they are checking out Weld or JSF2,
>>    they're often not doing what their manager wants them to do.
>>    If we make evaluating a technology easy and pleasant, I think
>>    they'll be more likely to want to go further and adopt the
>>    technology, tell their friends, train coworkers, contribute,
>>    schedule training, buy books, buy support contracts, hire
>>    consultants, etc.  In my experience, busy developers are often
>>    employed by successful companies who have reasonable budgets.  If
>>    the getting started procedure is frustrating, I think they're more
>>    likely to stop playing with new technology and just continue using
>>    their current technology (like struts or even pure JSP +
>>    Servlets), get back to work, etc.
>>    Currently, GlassFish v3 can be launched from Maven, but it was a
>>    side project by Koshuke Kawaguchi
>>    http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/04/28/glassfish-v3-just-got-embeddable
>>     It is not as well documented as Jetty and doesn't auto-deploy
>>    modified classes.  It even shares the same plugin name (but
>>    different package) as the official Glassfish plugin which controls
>>    a locally installed plugin, making the plugin very confusing.
>>    I heard a rumor JBoss is working on an embeddable version of
>>    JBossAS which will have a maven plugin which will download and run
>>    a container like the Tomcat plugin.  The instant it resembles a
>>    working product, I'll happily include it in the archetypes as I
>>    think it'll go a long way towards increasing JEE6 adoption.  It'll
>>    make writing applications much easier for the user and make
>>    documenting how to get started a breeze for contributers like me.
>>    Thanks,
>>    Steven
>> 
>>    PS-If anyone hasn't yet used the Tomcat/Jetty/Glassfish plugins, I
>>    have an old blog post explaining how to use them here:
>>     http://info.rmatics.org/2009/04/02/increasing-your-productivity-by-using-an-embedded-container-in-maven/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dan Allen
>> Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action
>> Registered Linux User #231597
>> 
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