[weld-dev] (embedded JBoss plugin?) Re: persistence and transactions outside Java EE

[Steven Boscarine]

Hello Andrew
I looked at the page, but haven't yet stepped through the source code. 

Is there a means of launching the plugin outside of an integration test? 

Does this use JBoss6?

I am trying to get a JEE equivalent of Jetty's behavior when you launch 
'mvn jetty:run'

Thanks,
Steven

Dan Allen wrote:
> Great points Steven.
>
> Btw, just to add to this discussion, Andrew Rubinger (who we just call 
> ALR) just informed me of progress on running embedded JBoss from 
> Maven. I haven't tried it yet because I am currently preparing for JSF 
> Summit, but perhaps you'll have a chance to stomp on it after getting 
> some turkey, Steven. Or anyone else.
>
> http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAutomationviaMaven
>
> It would be great to provide ALR with feedback early so that we can 
> get this right.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven Boscarine 
> <steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu 
> <mailto:steven.boscarine at childrens.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dan Allen wrote:
>
>         You are correct that for various reasons, many developers are
>         fixated on Tomcat and Jetty. However, I do believe that if
>         there are embeddable Java EE alternatives, such as Embedded
>         JBoss AS, then the grip on servlet containers will loosen.
>
>     I agree with Dan very strongly.  The sooner there's a JEE6
>     container that can be launched from maven, like Jetty or Tomcat
>     can now, the "stickier" JEE6 will become and adoption rates will
>     increase.
>     The more steps in an evaluation that cannot be scripted the
>     greater chance that the user will either make a mistake or find
>     something else to do, like get back to work.  :)
>
>     IMO, a key group of developers you'd want to target are very busy
>     people.  For many of them, when they are evaluating new software,
>     it is often at the expense of tasks that their management thinks
>     is of higher priority.  When they are checking out Weld or JSF2,
>     they're often not doing what their manager wants them to do.
>     If we make evaluating a technology easy and pleasant, I think
>     they'll be more likely to want to go further and adopt the
>     technology, tell their friends, train coworkers, contribute,
>     schedule training, buy books, buy support contracts, hire
>     consultants, etc.  In my experience, busy developers are often
>     employed by successful companies who have reasonable budgets.  If
>     the getting started procedure is frustrating, I think they're more
>     likely to stop playing with new technology and just continue using
>     their current technology (like struts or even pure JSP +
>     Servlets), get back to work, etc.
>     Currently, GlassFish v3 can be launched from Maven, but it was a
>     side project by Koshuke Kawaguchi
>     http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/04/28/glassfish-v3-just-got-embeddable
>      It is not as well documented as Jetty and doesn't auto-deploy
>     modified classes.  It even shares the same plugin name (but
>     different package) as the official Glassfish plugin which controls
>     a locally installed plugin, making the plugin very confusing.
>     I heard a rumor JBoss is working on an embeddable version of
>     JBossAS which will have a maven plugin which will download and run
>     a container like the Tomcat plugin.  The instant it resembles a
>     working product, I'll happily include it in the archetypes as I
>     think it'll go a long way towards increasing JEE6 adoption.  It'll
>     make writing applications much easier for the user and make
>     documenting how to get started a breeze for contributers like me.
>     Thanks,
>     Steven
>
>     PS-If anyone hasn't yet used the Tomcat/Jetty/Glassfish plugins, I
>     have an old blog post explaining how to use them here:
>      http://info.rmatics.org/2009/04/02/increasing-your-productivity-by-using-an-embedded-container-in-maven/
>
>
>
>
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