[Hawkular-dev] hawkular.org - Redux Initiative

[Jay Shaughnessy]

The two most consumable pieces of hawkular are Standalone Alerts and 
Standalone Metrics.   And these should be featured most prominently on 
the web site (imo).  Because the "Hawkular" prefix is so cumbersome to 
say, I think we should typically call these things "hAlerts" and 
"hMetrics".   I like the idea of also having the home page lead to other 
things Hawkular, such as Tracing,  MIQ Provider (much better than 
calling it Hawkular Services), HawkFX, The ruby gems, etc...   The fact 
that Metrics bundles Alerts enhances the Metrics offering but remember 
that this is primarily a metrics solution.  HAlerts should be featured 
independently as a standalone, pluggable solution for federated alerting.

As mentioned prior:

  * hServices really has only one consumer, MIQ, and should likely just
    be presented in that way.
  * hAlerts does *not* bundle metrics.
  * we should probably take a look at the docker hub and make sure it is
    coherent


On 7/5/2017 1:47 AM, Thomas Heute wrote:
> Alerts don't include Metrics, but the opposite is true for a few 
> releases now (it has not always been the case).
>
> Yes, Hawkular Services is/was the go-to place since it had everything 
> included (Alerting, Metrics, Inventory(RIP), EAP Agent, Command 
> Gateway, "glue code")...
>
> The EAP Agent and Command Gateway are pretty much related to ManageIQ 
> so we could make the switch and claim it is for ManageIQ (and work in 
> that direction) but then we first need an easy way to consume 
> Metrics+Alerting, currently there is no binary for that (No Zip, No 
> Docker) which has been missing for a whiile, there is also no 
> quickstart except for Alerting.
>
> Thomas
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Josejulio Martinez Magana 
> <jmartine at redhat.com <mailto:jmartine at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>     i might be wrong, but services = metrics (with alerts) + agent +
>     glue code between agent and alerts(notifications) + status page
>
>     On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Edgar Hernandez Garcia
>     <ehernand at redhat.com <mailto:ehernand at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>         Yes, its a little confusing.
>
>         May be I'm wrong in that alerts include metrics (I wrote that
>         only trusting my memory). If I'm wrong, it's ok to keep them
>         as separate releases. But the confusion remains between
>         metrics and services, because it's not very clear how you
>         choose between metrics and services.
>
>
>         On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Josejulio Martinez Magana
>         <jmartine at redhat.com <mailto:jmartine at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>             I didn't know alerts included metrics (I knew that metrics
>             included alerts)
>             If they include each other, why not call them as a whole
>             instead as the parts?
>
>             Is confusing for me that they are two distributions and
>             that each that are mutually included in each other. What's
>             the difference?
>
>             On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Edgar Hernandez Garcia
>             <ehernand at redhat.com <mailto:ehernand at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>                 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Edgar Hernández
>                 <ehernand at redhat.com <mailto:ehernand at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>
>                      And, now, starting with "metrics 0.27.0
>                     <https://github.com/hawkular/hawkular-metrics/releases/tag/0.27.0>"
>                     I can see that metrics also includes alerts.
>
>
>                 I just realized that alerts is included with metrics
>                 even with previous releases. So, both parts have been
>                 shipping the other part for a while. Now, it's got
>                 weirder for me.
>
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