[Hawkular-dev] hawkular.org - Redux Initiative

[John Sanda]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Stefan Negrea <snegrea at redhat.com> wrote:

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> Thank you,
> Stefan Negrea
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> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Edgar Hernández <ehernand at redhat.com>
> wrote:
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>> On 07/04/2017 02:41 AM, Thomas Heute wrote:
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>> Agreed, Hawkular Services need more love, not to disappear.
>> It may be renamed to "Hawkular ManageIQ Provider" on the website if that
>> helps with clarity, but shouldn't disappear.
>>
>> Also there is no quickstart anymore, it's very rough for people.
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>> What!? This really comes as a surprise for me. All this time my thinking
>> was that "services" was the thing bundling all parts together and, because
>> of the quickstarts, I believed that "services" was the preferred way to get
>> Hawkular. This idea is further supported by exploring the DockerHub, where
>> only images of Hawkular-services are available.
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>> Also, right after "Inventory" got removed, "services" and "alerts" were
>> somewhat redundant for me because "metrics" is included with "alerts" (and
>> "services" also includes both). And, now, starting with "metrics 0.27.0
>> <https://github.com/hawkular/hawkular-metrics/releases/tag/0.27.0>" I
>> can see that metrics also includes alerts. So, the thing looks more
>> redundant now. But with time I learned that "services" provides the
>> operations api, used by ManageIQ. I don't know if there are other features
>> provided by "services". But those extra features are not documented in the
>> website and people new to Hawkular won't realize what's the idea behind
>> "services".
>>
>> - Edgar.
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> Hawkular Metrics started bundling Alerting in October of last year and
> there are no plans to not bundle it.
>

​I don't want to side track the discussion too much, but if we are going to
target kubernetes/openshift as the base platform, then maybe it does make
sense to consider changing the deployment. We should probably have separate
containers for metrics and for alerts.​



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> We need to make a differentiation between the components (Alerting,
> Metrics, Trancing) and their integration into other projects. Hawkular
> Services is a specific integration for ManageIQ. We need to adjust the
> content around the core components to be able to build a community around
> the core components. The integrations are just delivery methods for these
> components. The integration of Hawkular Metrics and Alerting (there is a
> special bundle for that just like Hawkular Services) in OpenShift Origin
> has been used a lot more people than Hawkular Services ever was. Yet it is
> nowhere featured or discussed. We need to refocus the front page on the
> core components. Hawkular Services or Hawkular Metrics & Alerting OpenShift
> Origin (or other future integrations) should be mentioned but in another
> section.
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