[jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository

Tue Mar 13 18:20:52 EDT 2012

Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I
thought I'd respond too ;)

1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet container
so Tomcat does the job just fine.

2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the
REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue.

3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter
your assets across a file system you have the same issue.

4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution.
Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.

I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance.

Cheerio,

Mike

*Other cloud providers are available.

On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:

>  I think you have very valid points. IMO just:
> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have
> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files
> (service repo).
> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a
> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose
> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a
> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc.
> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo,
> then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to
> your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling
> in..not very intuitive imo.
> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering
> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all
> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your
> static files to akamai and call it a day :)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>
> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm not
> sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we can
> generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, some
> configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want to
> get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the
> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we
> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the
> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if
> we add that for all the other resources.
> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the Guvnor
> limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that for
> spring beans configs.
>
>  Cheers
>
>
>  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com>wrote:
>
>>  I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that
>> are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I
>> would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the
>> "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with
>> all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will
>> build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server
>> they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>
>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until
>> now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is
>> in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality
>> inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right?
>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely need
>> to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet.
>>
>>  Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository;
>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC,
>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its
>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo
>>> doesn't have some new effort.
>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it
>>> should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task
>>> before to make it public.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Giovanni
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