[rules-users] kie workbench unable to authenticate

Michael Anstis michael.anstis at gmail.com
Thu May 1 14:20:47 EDT 2014


The instructions immediately below your email state the configuration uses
Users defined in WEB-INF/classes/users.properties.

You need to add the additional J2EE security configuration to web.xml and
the related Tomcat Valve definition to Tomcat (I forget exactly where but
think I've mentioned it before in other emails on this thread).

Sent on the move
On 1 May 2014 19:11, "Dennis Crissman" <dcrissma at redhat.com> wrote:

>  I am using tomcat7 and followed the instructions below, so that I now
> having a standing server. I cannot however log into that server. No
> exceptions or errors are thrown or displayed. Any suggestions?
>
> conf/tomcat-users.xml
>   ...
>   <role rolename="admin"/>
>   <role rolename="analyst"/>
>   <role rolename="manager-gui"/>
>   <role rolename="admin-gui"/>
>   <role rolename="admin-script"/>
>   <role rolename="user"/>
>   <role rolename="manager"/>
>   <role rolename="developer"/>
>   <user username="tomcat" password="***"
> roles="manager-gui,admin-gui,admin-script"/>
>   <user username="kie" password="***" roles="admin,developer"/>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Re: [rules-users] Problems
> deploying war  Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:45:17 +0100  From: Michael
> Anstis <michael.anstis at gmail.com> <michael.anstis at gmail.com>  Reply-To: Rules
> Users List <rules-users at lists.jboss.org> <rules-users at lists.jboss.org>  To:
> Rules Users List <rules-users at lists.jboss.org><rules-users at lists.jboss.org>
>
> OK, repeated.
>
>  1) Downloaded Tomcat 7.0 from http://tomcat.apache.org/download-70.cgi
>
>  2) Downloaded Drools Workbench distribution fromÂ
> http://drools.jboss.org/downloads.html
>
>  3) Copied 3 required JARs to /lib
>
>  4) Changed Tomcat's Manager upload limit in
> /webapps/manager/WEB-INF/web.xml
>
>  5) Started Tomcat
>
>  6) Browse to Manager application
>
>  7) Upload kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0.war
>
>  8) Success.
>
>  9) Click on link in Tomcat's Manager and KIE Drools Workbench launched
> successfully.
>
>  10) Logged in with user defined in
> /webapps/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/WEB-INF/classes/users.properties
>
>
>
>  On 15 April 2014 14:57, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>>  I'm not sure what you mean by the J2ee security section. I didn't see
>> anything like that in the web.xml.  There didn't appear to be
>> any code that was commented out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ven
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2014 08:40 AM, Michael Anstis wrote:
>>
>>  If you're using 6.0 (as opposed to 6.1.0-SNAPSHOT) did you also
>> uncomment the J2EE security section in the web.xml?
>>
>>
>>  On 15 April 2014 13:27, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>   I've added the following libraries to the lib folder (I'm assuming
>>> you mean the Tomcat library, not the webapp-specific WEB-INF/lib folder ):
>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 svc-tomcat svc-tomcat   43519 Apr 14 08:38
>>> javax.security.jacc-api-1.4.jar
>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 svc-tomcat svc-tomcat    6992 Apr 14 08:38
>>> kie-tomcat-integration-6.0.1.Final.jar
>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 svc-tomcat svc-tomcat   26084 Apr 14 08:38
>>> slf4j-api-1.7.5.jar
>>>
>>> The following lines are in the server.xml:
>>> Â Â Â  Â  <Host name="localhost"Â  appBase="webapps"Â  unpackWARs="true"
>>> autoDeploy="true">
>>>
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  <Valve
>>> className="org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve" directory="logs"
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  prefix="localhost_access_log." suffix=".txt"
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  pattern="%h %l %u %t &quot;%r&quot; %s %b"
>>> />
>>>
>>> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  <Valve className="org.kie.integration.tomcat.JACCValve" />
>>> Â Â Â  </Host>
>>>
>>> There doesn't seem to be any log output when the login fails. It just
>>> brings me back to the same url:
>>>
>>> http://localhost:8080/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/org.kie.workbench.drools.KIEDroolsWebapp/j_security_check
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/14/2014 11:50 AM, Michael Anstis wrote:
>>>
>>>  You'll need to add the additional libraries to /lib and configure
>>> Catalina with the additional "Valve", as described in previous emails.
>>>
>>>  These configure Tomcat to use the tomcat-users.xml file.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 14 April 2014 14:36, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   You're right - I'm getting closer :)
>>>> Now, the
>>>> http://localhost:8080/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/url comes up, but when I try to log in with the user and password in my
>>>> tomcat-users.xml file, it doesn't log me in.
>>>>
>>>> I was able to bring up the main page both with the binary distribution
>>>> (which came up with a KIE IDE logo) and the one I built with maven from
>>>> sources
>>>> (which came up with a UF logo). The login page looked identical except
>>>> for the logo.
>>>>
>>>> This is what my tomcat-users.xml file looks like:
>>>> <role rolename="analyst"/>
>>>> Â  <role rolename="admin"/>
>>>> Â  <user username="guest" password="****" roles="analyst,admin"/>
>>>> Â  <user username="admin" password="****" roles="analyst,admin"/>
>>>>
>>>> (The password has been starred out in this e-mail)
>>>> The only change I made to the war was
>>>> Â mv
>>>> org.uberfire.security.auth.AuthenticationSource-TOMCAT-JEE-SECURITY
>>>> org.uberfire.security.auth.AuthenticationSource
>>>>
>>>> Is there something I have to do with the login.config or
>>>> realm.properties?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/14/2014 09:17 AM, Michael Anstis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  You're almost there by the look of it!!!
>>>>
>>>>  I replied to your other questions about why the workbench is trying
>>>> to access git.. you can disable this and then you shouldn't get the error
>>>> you paste (I assume you can't access github.com from where you're
>>>> trying to deploy).
>>>>
>>>>  The JBoss AS7 WAR works "out of the box".. no need to configure
>>>> anything extra, or download any WARs :)
>>>>
>>>>  I would encourage you to delete .niogit folder in /bin when trying to
>>>> deploy (if you had errors before).
>>>>
>>>>  .niogit is where the workbench stores it's configuration and any
>>>> downloaded git repositories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 14 April 2014 14:14, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I'm not quite sure why it's so challenging to get the war deployed
>>>>> with Tomcat. Is it easier to deploy the war with Jboss?
>>>>> These are the exceptions I'm getting, even after adding
>>>>> "-Dorg.kie.demo=false" to the CATALINA_OPTS in catalina.sh
>>>>> I want to disable the access to remote git repos.
>>>>>
>>>>> INFO: Deploying web application archive
>>>>> /opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0.war
>>>>>  2014-04-14 09:04:23,985 [localhost-startStop-1] INFOÂ  Found kmodule:
>>>>> jar:file:/opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/WEB-INF/lib/drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover-6.0.1.Final.jar!/META-INF/kmodule.xml
>>>>> 2014-04-14 09:04:24,036 [localhost-startStop-1] INFOÂ  KieModule was
>>>>> added:ZipKieModule[
>>>>> ReleaseId=org.drools:drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover:6.0.1.Finalfile=/opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/WEB-INF/lib/drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover-6.0.1.Final.jar]
>>>>> 2014-04-14 09:04:24,036 [localhost-startStop-1] INFOÂ  Found kmodule:
>>>>> jar:file:/opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/WEB-INF/lib/drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover-6.0.1.Final.jar!/META-INF/kmodule.xml
>>>>> 2014-04-14 09:04:24,039 [localhost-startStop-1] INFOÂ  KieModule was
>>>>> added:ZipKieModule[
>>>>> ReleaseId=org.drools:drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover:6.0.1.Finalfile=/opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0/WEB-INF/lib/drools-wb-rest-defaultapprover-6.0.1.Final.jar]
>>>>> 2014-04-14 09:07:36,460 [localhost-startStop-1] ERROR Failed to setup
>>>>> Repository 'uf-playground'
>>>>>
>>>>> java.lang.RuntimeException:
>>>>> https://github.com/guvnorngtestuser1/guvnorng-playground.git: cannot
>>>>> open git-upload-pack
>>>>>  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  at
>>>>> org.uberfire.backend.server.repositories.git.GitRepositoryFactoryHelper.newRepository(GitRepositoryFactoryHelper.java:80)~[uberfire-backend-server-0.3.1.Final.jar:0.3.1.Final]
>>>>>  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  at
>>>>> org.uberfire.backend.server.repositories.git.GitRepositoryFactoryHelper$Proxy$_$$_WeldClientProxy.newRepository(GitRepositoryFactoryHelper$Proxy$_$$_WeldClientProxy.java)~[uberfire-backend-server-0.3.1.Final.jar:0.3.1.Final]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/14/2014 08:57 AM, Michael Anstis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If apply the additional configuration you are telling Tomcat to use
>>>>> Users defined in <tomcat_install_folder>/conf/tomcat-users.xml
>>>>>
>>>>>  I modified the WAR by unzipping it, modifying the relevant files and
>>>>> then zipping it back into a WAR before deploying.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 April 2014 13:53, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Michael,
>>>>>> Â Â  Unfortunately I can't seem to get the 6.0.1 version up and
>>>>>> running. I followed the steps below, finding the 3 jars listed below online.
>>>>>> But still, Tomcat just hangs for a bit, then throws a bunch of severe
>>>>>> warnings. There don't seem to be any log messages describing the problem.
>>>>>> Also, I'm a bit confused by the directions - how can we modify the
>>>>>> WEB-INF directory before the war is deployed? And how do we define users
>>>>>> in the login.config file?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Ven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/11/2014 10:49 AM, Michael Anstis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There have been a few people with Tomcat deployment issues for
>>>>>> kie-drools-wb, so I thought I'd give it a try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  These are the steps I followed for *successful* deployment (most of
>>>>>> which is already documented, but not obvious, in the WAR's README.txt
>>>>>> file):-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *6.0.1*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Starting with a clean install of Tomcat 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  1. Copy "kie-tomcat-integration" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib
>>>>>> (org.kie:kie-tomcat-integration)
>>>>>> 2. Copy "JACC" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib(javax.security.jacc:artifactId=javax.security.jacc-api in JBoss Maven
>>>>>> Repository)
>>>>>> 3. Copy "slf4j-api" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib(org.slf4j:artifactId=slf4j-api in JBoss Maven Repository)
>>>>>> 4. Add valve configuration into TOMCAT_HOME/conf/server.xml inside
>>>>>> <Host> element as last valve definition:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Â Â Â <Valve className="org.kie.integration.tomcat.JACCValve" />
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  5. Edit TOMCAT_HOME/conf/tomcat-users.xml to include roles and
>>>>>> users, make sure there will be 'analyst' or 'admin' roles defined as it's
>>>>>> required to be authorized to use kie-wb
>>>>>>  6. Delete org.uberfire.security.auth.AuthenticationSource inside
>>>>>> WEB-INF/classes/META-INF/services
>>>>>> 7. Rename
>>>>>> org.uberfire.security.auth.AuthenticationSource-TOMCAT-JEE-SECURITYto
>>>>>> org.uberfire.security.auth.AuthenticationSource inside
>>>>>> WEB-INF/classes/META-INF/services
>>>>>> 8. Increase Java's PermGen space by adding file TOMCAT_HOME/bin/
>>>>>> setenv.sh containing export JAVA_OPTS="-Xmx1024m
>>>>>> -XX:MaxPermSize=256m"
>>>>>>  9. Start Tomcat with TOMCAT_HOME/bin/startup.sh
>>>>>>  10. Go to Management Console, http://localhost:8080/management
>>>>>> 11. Deploy modified WAR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  If you do not complete these steps the WAR works "out of the box"
>>>>>> but you'll need to define Users in WEB-INF/classes/login.config
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *6.1.0-SNAPSHOT*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Starting with a clean install of Tomcat 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  1. Copy "kie-tomcat-integration" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib
>>>>>> (org.kie:kie-tomcat-integration)
>>>>>> 2. Copy "JACC" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib
>>>>>> (javax.security.jacc:artifactId=javax.security.jacc-api in JBoss Maven
>>>>>> Repository)
>>>>>> 3. Copy "slf4j-api" JAR into TOMCAT_HOME/lib
>>>>>> (org.slf4j:artifactId=slf4j-api in JBoss Maven Repository)
>>>>>> 4. Add valve configuration into TOMCAT_HOME/conf/server.xml inside
>>>>>> Host element as last valve definition:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Â  Â <Valve className="org.kie.integration.tomcat.JACCValve" />
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  5. Edit TOMCAT_HOME/conf/tomcat-users.xml to include roles and
>>>>>> users, make sure there will be 'analyst' or 'admin' roles defined as it's
>>>>>> required to be authorized to use kie-wb
>>>>>>  6. Start Tomcat with TOMCAT_HOME/bin/startup.sh
>>>>>>  7. Go to Management Console, http://localhost:8080/management
>>>>>> 8. Deploy modified WAR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  With kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 April 2014 19:25, Ven Tadipatri <ven.tadipatri at ll.mit.edu>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>   I'm trying to get set up with Drools and Guvnor.  I've had some
>>>>>>> success building a test program with Drools, but when I saw that there's a
>>>>>>> webapp
>>>>>>> to manage and view rules, I was interested in getting that working
>>>>>>> as well. Unfortunately I haven't had much success with that.
>>>>>>> Â  I downloaded the kie-drools-wb-distribution-6.0.1.Final.zip file
>>>>>>> from the JBoss drools website and dropped the
>>>>>>> binaries/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0.war
>>>>>>> into my Tomcat directory.  Tomcat was just hanging for a while,
>>>>>>> then spit out a bunch of error messages:
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext
>>>>>>> startInternal
>>>>>>> INFO: Deploying web application archive
>>>>>>> /opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0.war
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext
>>>>>>> startInternal
>>>>>>> SEVERE: Error listenerStart
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext
>>>>>>> startInternal
>>>>>>> SEVERE: Context
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] startup failed due
>>>>>>> to previous errors
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> clearReferencesThreads
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] appears to have
>>>>>>> started a thread named [pool-4-thread-1] but has failed to stop it. This is
>>>>>>> very likely to create a memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> clearReferencesThreads
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] appears to have
>>>>>>> started a thread named [Thread-3] but has failed to stop it. This is very
>>>>>>> likely to create a memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> clearReferencesThreads
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] appears to have
>>>>>>> started a thread named [pool-7-thread-1] but has failed to stop it. This is
>>>>>>> very likely to create a memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> clearReferencesThreads
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] appears to have
>>>>>>> started a thread named [Git-Daemon-Accept] but has failed to stop it. This
>>>>>>> is very likely to create a memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> checkThreadLocalMapForLeaks
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] created a
>>>>>>> ThreadLocal with key of type [org.jboss.errai.config.util.ClassScanner$1]
>>>>>>> (value [org.jboss.errai.config.util.ClassScanner$1 at 1b3870a5]) and a
>>>>>>> value of type [java.lang.Boolean] (value [true]) but failed to remove it
>>>>>>> when the web application was stopped. Threads are going to be renewed over
>>>>>>> time to try and avoid a probable memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> checkThreadLocalMapForLeaks
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] created a
>>>>>>> ThreadLocal with key of type
>>>>>>> [org.jboss.solder.servlet.beanManager.ServletContextAttributeProvider$1]
>>>>>>> (value
>>>>>>> [org.jboss.solder.servlet.beanManager.ServletContextAttributeProvider$1 at 166b6e99])
>>>>>>> and a value of type [org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationContextFacade]
>>>>>>> (value [org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationContextFacade at 672a0a4e])
>>>>>>> but failed to remove it when the web application was stopped. Threads are
>>>>>>> going to be renewed over time to try and avoid a probable memory leak.
>>>>>>> Apr 10, 2014 2:21:40 PM org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader
>>>>>>> checkThreadLocalMapForLeaks
>>>>>>> SEVERE: The web application
>>>>>>> [/kie-drools-wb-distribution-wars-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0] created a
>>>>>>> ThreadLocal with key of type [org.eclipse.jgit.nls.NLS$1] (value
>>>>>>> [org.eclipse.jgit.nls.NLS$1 at 790abbcb]) and a value of type
>>>>>>> [org.eclipse.jgit.nls.NLS] (value [org.eclipse.jgit.nls.NLS at 2faf4a82])
>>>>>>> but failed to remove it when the web application was stopped. Threads are
>>>>>>> going to be renewed over time to try and avoid a probable memory leak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â Next I tried building the workbench from source:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-wb/archive/6.0.1.Final.zip
>>>>>>> Â The maven build worked, and I dropped the tomcat war into the
>>>>>>> tomcat directory (removing any existing webapps and wars). Starting Tomcat
>>>>>>> now produced these errors:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> INFO: Deploying web application archive
>>>>>>> /opt/tomcat/tomcat7/webapps/drools-workbench-6.0.1.Final-tomcat7.0.war
>>>>>>> 2014-04-10 13:46:31,975 [localhost-startStop-1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ERROR Failed to setup Repository 'uf-playground'
>>>>>>> java.lang.RuntimeException:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/guvnorngtestuser1/guvnorng-playground.git:
>>>>>>> cannot open git-upload-pack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the webapp trying to do with Git? Do I need to point it at
>>>>>>> some git repo?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried the jboss instructions here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://blog.athico.com/2013/05/how-to-build-and-run-drools-and-guvnor.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that didn't work either, with Jboss just hanging as well.  Any
>>>>>>> clues on what might be going wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Ven
>>>>>>>
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