However I think that requirement is not that no one cares - looks like they care a lot in
Japan :-P
Problem here is also execution and how we have dependencies split between GateIn and JCR.
I'm not sure how we should address it in the future however now we are discussing
something that is not really JCR related (talking semantics here) but is tightly connected
to JCR release cycle. So thats the part that makes it complex also.
Maybe it is a good point to start discussion if it is possible to decouple. We discussed
previously about doing separate Authentication module and extracting things from SSO, WCI
and core there. Nicolas - how tightly are core organization interfaces connected with JCR
internals actually? Would it be possible to extract part of those from core in the future?
I'm talking really long term here - even scope of doing new public organization API.
Bolek
On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Boleslaw Dawidowicz wrote:
We can do it EPP only I guess. However my fear is that long term it
can cause even grater mess with more out of sync :)
Like I said if you prefer to go with fullName for now we can do it.
Bolek
On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Julien Viet wrote:
> what worries me (not much of course) is that we need to do this
"temporarily" in the gatein code base until it is resolved properly later
because it has to go in EPP product and it shall go in project first (where at the end
nobody cares really) for some well established principle.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Boleslaw Dawidowicz wrote:
>
>> To forked UserImpl only for now. To User interface whenever eXo is comfortable
with. Or we stick to fullName if it matters for you. However in situation like this we
deprecate and switch method later. Basically every choice is a mess here and has
drawbacks.
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Julien Viet wrote:
>>
>>> to the User interface defined in EXOJCR ?
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Boleslaw Dawidowicz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still discussing with Marek but in the end adding displayName seems like
the best approach.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is that even if we reuse fullName we need to fork UserImpl
anyway… Also even if we keep interface compatibility for now it will mean that persisting
of this property won't work in UI with switched IDM implementation. My understanding
is that currently for eXo changing interface is similar effort to changing tables - and
won't happen until next major release. Am I right?
>>>>
>>>> Still if it matters for you to go with using "fullName" for now
we can align - keep in mind that we still need to fork and change impl anyway and it
won't change much your situation.
>>>>
>>>> Bolek
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Julien Viet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> can you clarify what you want to do (where do you want to add the
displayName) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> it's not clear for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Boleslaw Dawidowicz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for catching up late but was partly cut off from internet
for most of the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that whatever scenario we choose (forking UserImpl or
using fullName) you won't be able to support it in the UI for now anyway. We'll go
with adding displayName then and get aligned when possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry - this requirement came quite late but it is rather
important as use case is localization issues that you cannot solve in different way
really. Thanks for being understanding on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bolek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Nicolas Filotto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Marek Posolda
<mposolda(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23.2.2012 14:21, Nicolas Filotto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The more I think about that the more I realize that it is
simply not possible to apply it to JCR 1.14.x. Imagine one second what it means in case of
the data is stored into a table, between JCR 1.14.6 and JCR 1.14.7 the structure of the
table will change due to a new added field. We would need to deliver a migration tool to
at least do the required "ALTER TABLE" to allow to migrate from 1.14.6 to
1.14.7, I don't believe that we can afford this kind of changes in 1.14.x
anymore, so I'm sorry but I postpone it to the next JCR version. Please note that you
can do it at IDM level if it is critical for you.
>>>>>>> IDM implementation has attributes stored in separate table,
so it's not needed to do any ALTER TABLE and it's not a problem to migrate from
older versions. As I said I will use name of persistent attribute "displayName"
to have backward compatibility with future versions with new major JCR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then again, can we do changes in GateIn UI for it? As
then it won't work in GateIn if you will switch from
PicketlinkIDMORganizationServiceImpl to your OrganizationService implementations. Because
if you can't add new persistent field in your organization service implementation,
then the "Display Name" can't work correctly with them as it won't be
persistent even if in UI it may seems that it is persistent and it will be confusing for
users.
>>>>>>> We will tell our customers that it is simply not supported in
this version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Marek Posolda
<mposolda(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> So you will add methods getDisplayName() and
setDisplayName to User interface in the end right? And in which JCR release and when will
it be available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So as you proposed in UI we can use getFullName and
setFullName and then change to getDisplayName and setDisplayName after EXOJCR-1780 will be
fixed and available in GateIn. And name of persistent field in database will be
"displayName" from the beginning to assure backward compatibility with future
versions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Marek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23.2.2012 13:56, Nicolas Filotto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK so what I propose is to use this field as
temporary place holder in order to have this feature asap but in the next version the
methods getFullName() and setFullName will be deprecated and will be replaced with
getDisplayName and setDisplayName to have indeed a more appropriate name. At JCR level we
will implement the storage part of the job knowing that the future name is displayName, I
believe that IDM Team should apply the same logic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Marek Posolda
<mposolda(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23.2.2012 13:41, Nicolas FILOTTO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In EXOJCR-1780 you don't expect to persist
the value right? it is only a runtime value?
>>>>>>>>> No, It should be persistent. Sorry if it's not
clear from my description of EXOJCR-1780. I've just edited it to be more clear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Point is that user will change his "Display
Name" in UI during his registration (or update) and it will be then shown in right
top corner anytime later when this user will login into GateIn portal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Marek Posolda
<mposolda(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23.2.2012 12:00, Julien Viet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it's a bit of a hack, but that
sounds like the best tradeoff we can afford at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for EXOJCR I think you can reasonably add the
JIRA.
>>>>>>>>>> I've added
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/EXOJCR-1780
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for GateIn trunk, that will requires perhaps
minor UI modification to add the new field that is not computed anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as for the 3.2 release, the work should be
done in a branch and merged later (or the work can start after 3.2 release).
>>>>>>>>>> I will do it after GateIn 3.2 release. In GateIn
we can also fork class UserImpl into portal codebase
(into artifact exo.portal.component.identity, which is defacto Picketlink IDM based
implementation of Organization api used in GateIn by default) to have this feature before
EXOJCR-1780 will be fixed and available in GateIn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only thing is that with other eXo Organization
API implementations, it won't not work correctly if these implementations don't
have required support for editable fullName (so fullName will be editable in UI but
won't be persisted if particular organization api implementation don't support
persistence for it). Can I go this way or should I wait for EXOJCR-1780?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Marek Posolda
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, it's possible to avoid changing
in User interface and use fullName field for it. However I think that it's not so
clear from semantics perspective as fullName always means combination of firstName
lastName when displayName, which will be editable by user, can be something completely
different (like email address). But looks like we don't have much other choices if we
want to avoid change of User interface...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However in GateIn UI, I would be for
using label "Display Name" for this new field. Is it ok? And it would mean that
class org.exoplatform.services.organization.impl.UserImpl will need to add new field:
private String lastName = null;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with implementations like:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> public String getFullName()
>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>> return this.fullName != null ?
this.fullName : getFirstName() + " " + getLastName();
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> public void setFullName(String
fullName)
>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>> this.fullName = fullName;
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you want me to create JIRA in EXOJCR
for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that for GateIn 3.2 is late
anyway because AFAIK release will be in next few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marek
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23.2.2012 10:54, Nicolas FILOTTO
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed you are right this field
exists and should be used for this purpose. This way we have nothing to change in top
level applications (apart the ability to modify it of course), we only need to implement
these methods to store/retrieve it properly in/from the data store in the different
implementation of the OrganizationService which is more acceptable/doable for GateIn 3.2/
JCR 1.14 if it is really needed to have it asap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:52 AM,
Julien Viet <julien(a)julienviet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The computed property
"fullName" is persistable and could be used for this display name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the value does not exist: use
the current behavior "firstName lastName".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a user saves a new value, it
will be used instead of the default computed value.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is already the
setFullName(String) method on the User interface that is empty in all
implementations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Nicolas
FILOTTO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many customers are we talking
about? I'm not against doing that for next versions but it is clearly too late for
GateIn 3.2/JCR 1.14, it is not acceptable to modify interfaces in branches that are very
close to be in maintenance mode. Moreover we would have 3
implementations of the Organization Service to review in very
limited time only on eXo side, on your side you have IDM too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:49 PM,
Marek Posolda <mposolda(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have customers who would like
to have editable "displayName" of user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently what's displayed in
right top corner after login of user is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his fullName, which is hardcoded
as 'firstName lastName' . So we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions to add new
non-mandatory field displayName, which can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar like in
Thunderbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Help_Documentation:Using_the_Address...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . So user can fill displayName
during his registration and it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in right top corner in
UIUserInfoPortlet. If user won't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayName, it will fallback to
old behaviour and it will show fullName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think about it? I
already created JIRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/GTNPORTAL-2358 with attached patches.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First patch is for required
changes in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
exo.core.component.organization.api . It's about adding 2 new methods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "getDisplayName" and
"setDisplayName" to interface User and change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UserImpl implementation and other
things according to it. Should I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create JIRA into EXOJCR project
for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second patch is for GateIn where
needed changes are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Adding new field into all
portlets for creating and updating of user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Changing logic in
UIUserInfoPortlet to use displayName with fallback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fullName
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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