[cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization

Werner Keil werner.keil at gmail.com
Tue Feb 3 05:44:51 EST 2015 

Mark did, I'm sure he'll be able to help clarify that if you need his
input;-)





On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
wrote:

> still dont get why you keep saying servlet spec assume serialization...
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau
> http://www.tomitribe.com
> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>
>
> 2015-02-03 11:30 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
> > That you'd have to ask the Servlet Spec Leads:
> > https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=369
> > As of now, it seems Tomitribe has no EG Member there, but I'm sure you
> could
> > discuss anything with them if you feel it is a burden or makes no
> sense;-)
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> point is while serialization itself is not specified you have no more
> >> guarantee with Serializable. ATM you can serialize your bean
> >> passivationId and keep your bean instance in memory (in a map). You
> >> didnt serialize anything excepted a string!
> >>
> >> So why forcing such a constraint if it is an implementation detail?
> >> Serialization process is not explicit so then constraint doesnt
> >> guarantee any portability
> >>
> >>
> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> @rmannibucau
> >> http://www.tomitribe.com
> >> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> >> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015-02-03 11:22 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
> >> > Guess Jozef pretty much hit the point, I don't care about the sticker
> or
> >> > label you may put on your laptop or product, but a compatible behavior
> >> > allowing users to deploy against as many available containers as
> >> > possible
> >> > with minimal or no changes at all;-)
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Jozef Hartinger <jharting at redhat.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If we want applications to be portable across different
> implementations
> >> >> then the spec should require the least common multiple - that is
> beans
> >> >> that
> >> >> belong to passivating scopes being serializable. TomEE/OWB is free to
> >> >> have a
> >> >> mode in which passivation requirements are not checked if the server
> >> >> runs in
> >> >> non-passivating mode.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 02/03/2015 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK ==
> not
> >> >>> required in most of instances.
> >> >>> tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors
> and
> >> >>> is serialization-less in openejb flavors
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That said this is not a certification question but a usage question
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> >>> @rmannibucau
> >> >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
> >> >>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> >> >>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> What about TomEE?
> >> >>>> After all it's Java EE 6 certified:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet
> >> >>>> spec, so
> >> >>>> I assume it is either always on or at least on by default
> (otherwise
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> TomEE
> >> >>>> "tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Tomcat itself was never certified.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Werner
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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> >> >>>>>     1. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Mark Struberg)
> >> >>>>>     2. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Romain Manni-Bucau)
> >> >>>>>     3. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Mark Struberg)
> >> >>>>>     4. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Romain Manni-Bucau)
> >> >>>>>     5. Re: Async events. We need ideas to improve CDI-499
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Message: 4
> >> >>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:50:44 +0100
> >> >>>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization
> >> >>>>> To: Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>
> >> >>>>> Cc: cdi-dev <cdi-dev at lists.jboss.org>
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and
> >> >>>>> that's
> >> >>>>> not the point anyway
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> >>>>> @rmannibucau
> >> >>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
> >> >>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> >> >>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the
> >> >>>>>> serialization
> >> >>>>>> is on...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> LieGrue,
> >> >>>>>> strub
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Monday, 2 February 2015, 16:42, Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> >>>>>>> <rmannibucau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> @Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly
> spoke
> >> >>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> >>>>>>> @rmannibucau
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
> >> >>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
> >> >>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> 2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>   Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up.
> This
> >> >>>>>>> is
> >> >>>>>>> also
> >> >>>>>>> required by the Servlets spec...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>   LieGrue,
> >> >>>>>>>>   strub
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
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