[jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

Pete Muir pmuir at redhat.com
Tue Aug 5 09:17:07 EDT 2014 

On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> We should fire a Jira for these.
> 
> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work
>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need.
> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/

the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.

>> 
>>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>> What does this mean?
> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.

Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).

>> 
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>> 
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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