[seam-dev] BI integration

Max Rydahl Andersen max.andersen at redhat.com
Fri Oct 17 03:02:04 EDT 2008 

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:13:19 +0200, Max Rydahl Andersen  
<max.andersen at redhat.com> wrote:

> So for me this look like a Swing app adapted to eclipse and the source  
> code is not easily available anywhere.
>
> Plus it is not an eclipse plugin, but an Eclipse application ;(

My point being that Pentaho (aka JFreeChart) has a easier runtime to setup,
but their IDE side is problematic.

Why can't projects do both things well ? :)

/max

>
> /max
>
>> There isn't much, but I found a wiki page on the Pentaho Design
>> Studio, which I believe is what the Eclipse plugin is called.
>>
>> http://wiki.pentaho.com/display/studio/Getting+Started+with+Design+Studio
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen
>> <max.andersen at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> Any links to their (opensource) Eclipse stuff ?  I couldn't find it on  
>>> their
>>> website...
>>>
>>> /max
>>>
>>>> Hi Max,
>>>> the pentaho "suite" is distributed as a modified eclipse containing
>>>> the report designer,
>>>> and another one to create action sequences.
>>>> They can all be installed as plugins, or as prepackaged eclipses (as
>>>> Developer Studio)
>>>> coming with a ready-to-start JBoss preconfigured as a BI server, with
>>>> schedulers and
>>>> all needed stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Sanne
>>>>
>>>> 2008/10/16 Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> BIRT has good Eclipse editing facilities...but has a really bad  
>>>>> runtime
>>>>> size/setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does Pentaho and JasperReport have in context of Eclipse  
>>>>> integration
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> /max
>>>>>
>>>>>> please, don't forget Pentaho.
>>>>>> they were looking very good already, and are improving a lot and at  
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> very fast pace.
>>>>>> additionally they have strong bounds with JBoss, as it's the default
>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/10/13 Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I guess the question is, do we want to do Jasper or BIRT?
>>>>>>> On 13 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Dan Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the main focus here is on the responsibility of who  
>>>>>>> creates the
>>>>>>> reports. The excel stuff is superb for developers who need to  
>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>> reports
>>>>>>> for management, etc. The BI is about management designing the  
>>>>>>> reports
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the developers feeding the parameters to it from the UI (and all  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> security and context that goes along with it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main focus for this relationship, and the one we should keep in
>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>> when designing it, is that you want to try to break the need to  
>>>>>>> wait on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> developer to get a report through the system. Not only does this  
>>>>>>> slow
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> down, it ties up developer resources. At my previous job, we had a  
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> problem with this because there was a neverending need to customize
>>>>>>> reports
>>>>>>> for customers and thus the process was not scalable. BI is about
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> consumers (or designers) of the reports in control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snjezana has written some BIRT/Seam integration. But it needs a  
>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> used outside of Eclipse (she has no ant or maven targets, you must
>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>> your project with Eclipse).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But anyway, what does this offer over Seam PDF/Excel w/ VPE  
>>>>>>>> support?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Dan Allen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've brought up this point informally a couple of times, but I  
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> make a more formal statement. I think we need to put some sort  
>>>>>>>>> of BI
>>>>>>>>> integration on the roadmap, mostly likely being with  
>>>>>>>>> JasperReports.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we can start brainstorming on how this integration might  
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> and then create some JIRAs for those features. For example,  
>>>>>>>>> here's an
>>>>>>>>> article on how Spring integrates with JasperReports.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My intention is not to try to outdo Spring, but rather to say  
>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>> need to offer something native within Seam. I just spoke to  
>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>> colleagues last week and they are using JasperServer with JSF,  
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> mentioned that they had to do some glue code to get it all  
>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>> /max
>>>>>
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