Re: [keycloak-dev] Password Updates and Authenticators in the new Account Console

Hello, I wanted to discuss the new Account Console which is in development and how it handles password updates and authenticators configuration (e.g. TOTP). Currently, when a user wants to update their password [see attached A.png] or configure authenticator [B.png] they cannot do it directly from the Account Console. They need to be redirected back to Keycloak and perform it there in form of Required Action [C.png, D.png] – which is technically the login screen (it uses the same template). This also means there will be no REST endpoints for changing passwords or managing authenticators. IMHO this is not the best approach either for users or developers (who'll be using Keycloak with their app). Let me explain why. - It's not really user friendly. Redirecting from one application to seemingly completely different application is never good and can be confusing. I can imagine some less tech savvy users could even feel "in danger" – one second you're securely managing your account and then you are asked to change your password in some other application (that suspiciously uses the same design as login screen). I disagree - it depends on how it's done. With a SSO solution regardless

- This approach doesn't feel seamless. You can change e.g. your name, email, etc. directly from the Account Console. But not password and authenticators. - It's not an industry standard. I haven't ever encountered anywhere that I'd have to be redirected from some profile managing app to completely different app just to change password. Again – it's confusing for the users to do something differently than they're used to and what they expect. Google used this approach a lot. I've also seen it elsewhere.

- Network traffic overhead. People accessing the Account Console will often use some limited and slow internet connection. Needless redirecting back and forth and loading the application again takes data and time. There's very little overhead here. Images and such are already cached.

- Missing REST endpoints limit developers. With a proper REST API devs could e.g. fully integrate the Account Console functionality into their own app (and effectively replacing the Console by their app). This also means no CLI apps support. And I don't think REST API is less secure than Required Actions – either way you're sending an HTTP request and how it's secure depends on the same factors for both. Required actions is for complex actions that would be costly and time

- We're stripping out core Account Console functionality. It was always a central place to manage your account. Now it can do what? Change your email and manage apps access? (We could as well replace it with bunch of links to Required Actions. :P There're are already Required Actions for changing email and name.) I can see however one advantage of this approach. There's only one place where users can change their passwords and authenticators – no need to implement it second time when it's already implemented as Required Actions. But this is actually not entirely true as e.g. password changing process (incl. password policies etc.) is implemented in Admin Console too so there needs to be some shared logic. In general this approach practically benefits "only" the implementation complexity – it's easier to do it this way and therefore less error prone.

WDYT? Should we keep the current approach? Thank you! V. -- Václav Muzikář Senior Quality Engineer Keycloak / Red Hat Single Sign-On Red Hat Czech s.r.o.