Re: [keycloak-dev] i18n/l10n: English text in java code

And we can always log the missing key situation into server log - that should be enough for developers to notice it, and fix it.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com <mailto:sthorger@redhat.com>> wrote: There's two places where keys can be missing: * In a translation - this can be an honest mistake, or the translation wasn't updated when KC was updated * Custom keys added - for example when keys are used for display names of clients, roles, etc.. Manually having to go through all sorts of pages to look for missing keys is very error prone and time consuming, so will not be the best option for developers. In both cases above the correct way to do this would be to have a way to verify a message bundle. We need a tool that can quickly identify if there are missing keys and we could expose that through the admin console. We currently have a student looking at providing a UI for defining locales and she is also going to look at adding some way of identifying if a locale is missing keys and also to easily list only missing keys. For end users as I've said they will have no clue what ???key??? is, and even worse if we throw an exception/error just because a missing key we'll actually break the whole console just because of a missing key. It's a much better option to look for the key in another translation and display that. Chances are they will be able to interpret one or two English words. Certainly higher chance of that then them being able to interpret ???key???. On 9 October 2015 at 07:51, Thomas Raehalme <thomas.raehalme(a)aitiofinland.com <mailto:thomas.raehalme@aitiofinland.com>> wrote: How about returning something noticeable like ???key??? for example? On Oct 9, 2015 8:10 AM, "Stian Thorgersen" <sthorger(a)redhat.com <mailto:sthorger@redhat.com>> wrote: That's not putting it to rest at all! Throwing a RuntimeException and rendering the whole admin console useless just because there's a missing key is a horrible idea. On 8 October 2015 at 20:33, Stan Silvert <ssilvert(a)redhat.com <mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com>> wrote: What if English is the bundle that has a missing key? Let's just put this to rest and solve it once and for all. The simplest solution I can think of is to just compare keys when a new bundle is loaded. If any bundle has a missing key or it has key not found in the previous loaded bundle, we throw a RuntimeException. I can submit a patch for that in just a few minutes. On 10/8/2015 1:28 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote: > I'm not sure I'm buying into the argument that > displaying the key is better for developers. Having > English suddenly pop-up in a German translation is > just as obvious as a key. Besides as Stan points out > you catch missing keys by comparing missing keys > between English and German. > > However, if there is a mistake in a translation then > a user may quite likely be able to interpret English > text, while a user will not be able to interpret a > key. So if a key is missing in a translation (which > is obviously a "bug") it's better to display English > than to display the key. > > On 8 October 2015 at 14:13, Stan Silvert > <ssilvert(a)redhat.com <mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com>> wrote: > > On 10/8/2015 12:48 AM, Thomas Raehalme wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 8, 2015 6:53 AM, "Stian Thorgersen" >> <sthorger(a)redhat.com >> <mailto:sthorger@redhat.com>> wrote: >> > >> > With regards to internationalization I have >> two questions: >> > >> > * Should we fallback to English messages if a >> key is missing in a translation? Alternative is >> to show key, but that's not going to help anyone >> >> A missing key is a bug and showing the message >> in the default locale may hide the problem. >> >> Even though showing the key does not help the >> end user it helps the developer and identifies >> the problem. For this reason I think showing the >> key would be a good idea. >> > For our bundles, we could catch missing keys at > build time. > > Failing that, I agree that displaying the key is > better than falling back to English. This is > especially true right now while we haven't > completed the task of converting everything. If > we fall back to English we won't know if the > problem is a missing key or if the text just > hasn't been converted yet. > >> > * Should we change message bundles to UTF-8? Or >> is ISO 8859-1 going to work for all languages? >> >> Depends what those all languages are :-) >> >> I think UTF-8 is the best choice as it will >> handle practically any character. >> >> But if you're referring to Java resource bundles >> the encoding for .properties is ISO-8859-1 but >> there are means to handle any UTF-8 character. >> > Yes, an UTF-8 character can be encoded in > ISO-8859-1. Java provides a native2ascii tool > for converting entire files. The resource bundle > tools in most IDE's do this for you > automatically. So you just edit as UTF-8 and it > saves the bundle as ISO-8859-1. > > We can read our bundles as UTF-8 if we want to do > that. I'd rather not, because I'm not sure what > we might run into down the road with Java > assuming resource bundles are always ISO-8859-1. > > But I'd like to get the perspective of people who > have handled resource bundles in languages that > are not fully supported by ISO-8859-1. Is it too > much of a pain to do a conversion or do the tools > make the process seamless? > >> Best regards, >> Thomas >> >> > >> > On 7 October 2015 at 18:42, Stan Silvert >> <ssilvert(a)redhat.com >> <mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Marko brought this to my attention yesterday. >> For some things, we >> >> dynamically create UI. In this case, the >> java code contains the English >> >> text and it needs to be localized. Luckily, >> the solution was pretty >> >> straightforward. We just replace the English >> text with a key into the >> >> message bundle. The html template that >> displays this text already pulls >> >> from an Angular scope so we just leave that >> alone and pass it through >> >> the |translate filter. You do need to also >> add the double-colon. >> >> >> >> One nice side effect is that if the key is >> not found in the bundle then >> >> the output of the translate filter is the >> unchanged text. This means >> >> that any code which has not converted to >> using bundle keys will still >> >> work as expected. And, any third-party >> providers can just pass in >> >> plain text if they don't care about l10n. If >> they ever do care about >> >> l10n we will just need to provide a means for >> them to add key/value >> >> pairs to the resource bundles. >> >> >> >> Here is an example for anyone who needs to >> localize English text >> >> embedded in java: >> >> >> https://github.com/ssilvert/keycloak/commit/c9437595b70810c4472325373dd88... >> >> >> >> Stan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> keycloak-dev mailing list >> >> keycloak-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> <mailto:keycloak-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-dev >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > keycloak-dev mailing list >> > keycloak-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> <mailto:keycloak-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ keycloak-dev mailing list keycloak-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:keycloak-dev@lists.jboss.org> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-dev _______________________________________________ keycloak-dev mailing list keycloak-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-dev