9:21 a.m.
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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9:49 a.m.
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client
authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you
need another call to the token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the
http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST
service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the token
is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
effective permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service
cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles
"book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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10:21 a.m.
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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10:58 a.m.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you
mean client side (javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is
the
common practice to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization
header since it alteady contains the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with
permissions (sent by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an
access token + permissions. Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after
login) rather than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions
mapping is pretty much static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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*From:* Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
*To:* Ori Doolman
*Cc:* keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
*Subject:* Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client
authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you
need another call to the token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
> microservice.
>
> In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
> roles.
> "regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
> "admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
>
> The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
> book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
> all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
> resources/permissions/policies entities.
>
> I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
> The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
> When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in
> the http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
> permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
> checking authorization.
>
>
>
> 1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my
> REST service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the
> token is created?
> Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
> effective permissions at runtime?
> Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to
> service cache ?
>
> 2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
> this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
> Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
> and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
>
>
>
> 1. Another alternative I thought of:
> have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For
"Admins" I will add roles
> "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
> will add only "book:read" role.
> This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
> permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ori.
>
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1:35 p.m.
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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4:29 p.m.
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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4:51 p.m.
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding
scopes/actions that can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an
account (which is a resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such
as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy
that enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy
that enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access
shall be granted to account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the
scopes granted will depend on the role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's
permission in Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty
standard model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed
permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with
effective permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with
effective permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of
an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for
policies. My permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in
Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with
server side authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not
performed logout. API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single
call to KC I get both token validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a
typical classic deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot
of people.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you
mean client side (javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the
common practice to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization
header since it alteady contains the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with
permissions (sent by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an
access token + permissions. Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after
login) rather than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions
mapping is pretty much static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client
authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you
need another call to the token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the
http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST
service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the token
is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
effective permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service
cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles
"book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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8:02 a.m.
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the
account and the role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a
claim. The issue here is that you will end up with a quite huge policy
depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those
permissions for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your
application to create the resource + permissions when a new account is
created. Permissions could then be obtained based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role
manager and **for account 1**. For account 2, the same user will have
totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have
scopes X,Y,Z for user 1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
*From:* Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
*To:* Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
*Cc:* keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
*Subject:* Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding
scopes/actions that can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an
account (which is a resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such
as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy
that enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy
that enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access
shall be granted to account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the
scopes granted will depend on the role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's
permission in Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty
standard model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed
permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with
effective permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with
effective permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of
an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for
policies. My permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in
Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with
server side authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not
performed logout. API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single
call to KC I get both token validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a
typical classic deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot
of people.
Ori.
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To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you
mean client side (javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the
common practice to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization
header since it alteady contains the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with
permissions (sent by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an
access token + permissions. Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after
login) rather than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions
mapping is pretty much static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client
authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you
need another call to the token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the
http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST
service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the token
is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
effective permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service
cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles
"book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's permissions as
scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I expect to get in RPT
different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B role R2. In the same time, user A
has difderent role on other account. This is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple model of
different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the account and the
role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a claim. The issue here is that
you will end up with a quite huge policy depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those permissions
for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your application to create the
resource + permissions when a new account is created. Permissions could then be obtained
based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <
Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
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Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva
<psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com><mailto:psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc:
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Here it is
https://www.keycloak.org/docs/latest/authorization_services/index.html#_s...
.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's
permissions as scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I
expect to get in RPT different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B
role R2. In the same time, user A has difderent role on other account. This
is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple
model of different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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*From:* Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 1:02:05 PM
*To:* Ori Doolman
*Cc:* keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
*Subject:* Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the
account and the role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a
claim. The issue here is that you will end up with a quite huge policy
depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have
those permissions for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic
in your application to create the resource + permissions when a new account
is created. Permissions could then be obtained based on a per-account
basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman < Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role
manager and **for account 1**. For account 2, the same user will have
totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have
scopes X,Y,Z for user 1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
*From:* Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
*To:* Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
*Cc:* keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
*Subject:* Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding
scopes/actions that can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an
account (which is a resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such
as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy
that enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy
that enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access
shall be granted to account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the
scopes granted will depend on the role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's
permission in Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty
standard model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed
permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with
effective permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with
effective permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of
an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for
policies. My permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in
Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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To: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with
server side authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not
performed logout. API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single
call to KC I get both token validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a
typical classic deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot
of people.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you
mean client side (javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the
common practice to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization
header since it alteady contains the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with
permissions (sent by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an
access token + permissions. Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after
login) rather than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions
mapping is pretty much static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client
authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you
need another call to the token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the
http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST
service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the token
is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
effective permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service
cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles
"book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Pedro,
1. How do I obtain the pushed claims in my JS policy code? Is it by
$evaluation.getContext().getAttribes() ?
Do you have an example?
2. Is there any way to debug the JS policy? Or at least print to logs from the policy
code?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:32 PM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Here it is
https://www.keycloak.org/docs/latest/authorization_services/index.html#_s...;.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's permissions as
scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I expect to get in RPT
different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B role R2. In the same time, user A
has difderent role on other account. This is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple model of
different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:02:05 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the account and the
role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a claim. The issue here is that
you will end up with a quite huge policy depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those permissions
for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your application to create the
resource + permissions when a new account is created. Permissions could then be obtained
based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <
Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
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Ok Pedro,
I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Hi Pedro,
I almost got it all working, but I think I bumped into bug... :(
Please confirm if this is a bug or an expected behavior.
I'm using latest Keycloak v6.01. I believe you can reproduce it as well.
I have created:
1. Resource R with scopes S1, S2.
2. User based policy P1 for user1
3. User based policy P2 for user2
4. scope-based permission SBP1 for R1+S1 mapped to policy P1 (granting user1 access to
R1:S1)
5. scope-based permission SBP2 for R1+S2 mapped to policy P2 (granting user2 access to
R1:S2)
When I request an RTP, everything is as expected. User1 token returns R1:S1 and user2
token returns R1:S2.
But, if I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to both R1:S1 and
R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug.
If I revert the change and add to SBP2 also S1, I expect that user2 will have access to
both R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, in this case I get access_denied and no scopes at all.
This is really inconsistent and seems like a bug.
Here is how I send the RPT request:
POST /auth/realms/epm-account1/protocol/openid-connect/token HTTP/1.1
Host: localhost:8180
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Authorization: Bearer <myToken>
User-Agent: PostmanRuntime/7.13.0
Accept: */*
Cache-Control: no-cache
Postman-Token: ca36fc4e-d551-4525-a406-9afe674b1312,3731c4f2-6e71-475d-a6bf-171b6dc6b0cc
Host: localhost:8180
accept-encoding: gzip, deflate
content-length: 99
Connection: keep-alive
cache-control: no-cache
grant_type=urn%3Aietf%3Aparams%3Aoauth%3Agrant-type%3Auma-ticket&audience=epm-web&permission=R1
Please check that.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Pedro,
1. How do I obtain the pushed claims in my JS policy code? Is it by
$evaluation.getContext().getAttribes() ?
Do you have an example?
2. Is there any way to debug the JS policy? Or at least print to logs from the policy
code?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:32 PM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Here it is
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...;.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's permissions as
scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I expect to get in RPT
different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B role R2. In the same time, user A
has difderent role on other account. This is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple model of
different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the account and the
role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a claim. The issue here is that
you will end up with a quite huge policy depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those permissions
for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your application to create the
resource + permissions when a new account is created. Permissions could then be obtained
based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <
Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user Ok Pedro, I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:58:41 PM
To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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From: Pedro Igor Silva
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:49:11 PM
To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>>
wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Hi Pedro,
Did you check this?
I have created a Jira issue:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/KEYCLOAK-10443
Thanks ,
Ori.
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Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 12:10 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>; Pedro Igor Silva
<psilva(a)redhat.com>
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Subject: RE: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Hi Pedro,
I almost got it all working, but I think I bumped into bug... :( Please confirm if this is
a bug or an expected behavior.
I'm using latest Keycloak v6.01. I believe you can reproduce it as well.
I have created:
1. Resource R with scopes S1, S2.
2. User based policy P1 for user1
3. User based policy P2 for user2
4. scope-based permission SBP1 for R1+S1 mapped to policy P1 (granting user1 access to
R1:S1) 5. scope-based permission SBP2 for R1+S2 mapped to policy P2 (granting user2
access to R1:S2)
When I request an RTP, everything is as expected. User1 token returns R1:S1 and user2
token returns R1:S2.
But, if I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to both R1:S1 and
R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug.
If I revert the change and add to SBP2 also S1, I expect that user2 will have access to
both R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, in this case I get access_denied and no scopes at all.
This is really inconsistent and seems like a bug.
Here is how I send the RPT request:
POST /auth/realms/epm-account1/protocol/openid-connect/token HTTP/1.1
Host: localhost:8180
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Authorization: Bearer <myToken>
User-Agent: PostmanRuntime/7.13.0
Accept: */*
Cache-Control: no-cache
Postman-Token: ca36fc4e-d551-4525-a406-9afe674b1312,3731c4f2-6e71-475d-a6bf-171b6dc6b0cc
Host: localhost:8180
accept-encoding: gzip, deflate
content-length: 99
Connection: keep-alive
cache-control: no-cache
grant_type=urn%3Aietf%3Aparams%3Aoauth%3Agrant-type%3Auma-ticket&audience=epm-web&permission=R1
Please check that.
Thanks,
Ori.
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To: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Pedro,
1. How do I obtain the pushed claims in my JS policy code? Is it by
$evaluation.getContext().getAttribes() ?
Do you have an example?
2. Is there any way to debug the JS policy? Or at least print to logs from the policy
code?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:32 PM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Here it is
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...;.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's permissions as
scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I expect to get in RPT
different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B role R2. In the same time, user A
has difderent role on other account. This is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple model of
different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:02:05 PM
To: Ori Doolman
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the account and the
role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a claim. The issue here is that
you will end up with a quite huge policy depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those permissions
for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your application to create the
resource + permissions when a new account is created. Permissions could then be obtained
based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <
Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
From: Pedro Igor Silva <psilva@redhat.com<mailto:psilva@redhat.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 12:51 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>>
Cc: keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org<mailto:keycloak-user@lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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user Ok Pedro, I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
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On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Yeah, it seems like an issue. You should get the same results.
However, what you mentioned here is not how it is supposed to work though:
"If I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to both
R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug."
If you have conflicting permissions, like SBP1 granting access to S1 and
S2 + SBP2 denying S2 to user1, the user should get S1 only.
I'll update the JIRA to this info and we can discuss there.
Thanks for creating the issue.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:55 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>
wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Did you check this?
I have created a Jira issue:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/KEYCLOAK-10443
Thanks ,
Ori.
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Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 12:10 AM
To: Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>; Pedro Igor Silva <
psilva(a)redhat.com>
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: RE: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Hi Pedro,
I almost got it all working, but I think I bumped into bug... :( Please
confirm if this is a bug or an expected behavior.
I'm using latest Keycloak v6.01. I believe you can reproduce it as well.
I have created:
1. Resource R with scopes S1, S2.
2. User based policy P1 for user1
3. User based policy P2 for user2
4. scope-based permission SBP1 for R1+S1 mapped to policy P1 (granting
user1 access to R1:S1) 5. scope-based permission SBP2 for R1+S2 mapped to
policy P2 (granting user2 access to R1:S2)
When I request an RTP, everything is as expected. User1 token returns
R1:S1 and user2 token returns R1:S2.
But, if I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to
both R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug.
If I revert the change and add to SBP2 also S1, I expect that user2 will
have access to both R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, in this case I get
access_denied and no scopes at all.
This is really inconsistent and seems like a bug.
Here is how I send the RPT request:
POST /auth/realms/epm-account1/protocol/openid-connect/token HTTP/1.1
Host: localhost:8180
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Authorization: Bearer <myToken>
User-Agent: PostmanRuntime/7.13.0
Accept: */*
Cache-Control: no-cache
Postman-Token:
ca36fc4e-d551-4525-a406-9afe674b1312,3731c4f2-6e71-475d-a6bf-171b6dc6b0cc
Host: localhost:8180
accept-encoding: gzip, deflate
content-length: 99
Connection: keep-alive
cache-control: no-cache
grant_type=urn%3Aietf%3Aparams%3Aoauth%3Agrant-type%3Auma-ticket&audience=epm-web&permission=R1
Please check that.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Pedro,
1. How do I obtain the pushed claims in my JS policy code? Is it by
$evaluation.getContext().getAttribes() ?
Do you have an example?
2. Is there any way to debug the JS policy? Or at least print to logs
from the policy code?
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Here it is
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<
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...
>.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's
permissions as scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I
expect to get in RPT different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B
role R2. In the same time, user A has difderent role on other account. This
is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple
model of different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the
account and the role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a
claim. The issue here is that you will end up with a quite huge policy
depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have
those permissions for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic
in your application to create the resource + permissions when a new account
is created. Permissions could then be obtained based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman < Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role
manager and *for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have
totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have
scopes X,Y,Z for user 1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding
scopes/actions that can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an
account (which is a resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such
as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy
that enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy
that enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access
shall be granted to account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the
scopes granted will depend on the role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's
permission in Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty
standard model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed
permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with
effective permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with
effective permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of
an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for
policies. My permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in
Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user Ok Pedro, I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr
clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with
server side authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not
performed logout. API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single
call to KC I get both token validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a
typical classic deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot
of people.
Ori.
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authenticated user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:
Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you
mean client side (javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the
common practice to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization
header since it alteady contains the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with
permissions (sent by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an
access token + permissions. Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after
login) rather than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions
mapping is pretty much static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an
authenticated user There is no way to automatically set the permissions
(from a client authorization settings) when an access token is issued. Like
you said, you need another call to the token endpoint using the
uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to
exchange the access token with another one with the permissions you need to
access your backend. Your client should also be able to perform incremental
authorization and limit the numbers of permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you
are limited to RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect
resources) and not able to use resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman <Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com
<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com><mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:
Ori.Doolman(a)cyberark.com>>> wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java
microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and
"admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read ,
book:create, book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate
all roles and permissions into Keycloak using the
resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow).
The token contains the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the
http header. The token contains the user roles, but not the user
permissions. In fact, what I really need is the user permissions for
checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST
service? Can I have them become part of the JWT access token when the token
is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the
effective permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service
cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because
this will result bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use
Keycloak authorization services I must call Keycloak for every API request
and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles
"book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete" and for the
"Regulars" group I
will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the
permissions (roles) in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Hi Pedro,
"If you have conflicting permissions, like SBP1 granting access to S1 and S2 + SBP2
denying S2 to user1, the user should get S1 only."
I agree, but in the example I provided I used two different users in the policy. User1 is
allowed for all scopes of R1 in SBP1. User2 is allowed for all scopes of R1 in SBP2.
I didn't even test the case you mentioned because it failed with a more simple one. No
doubt it should be also added to automation tests after the fix.
Thanks a lot for addressing this issue.
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Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 8:18:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Yeah, it seems like an issue. You should get the same results.
However, what you mentioned here is not how it is supposed to work though:
"If I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to both R1:S1 and
R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug."
If you have conflicting permissions, like SBP1 granting access to S1 and S2 + SBP2 denying
S2 to user1, the user should get S1 only.
I'll update the JIRA to this info and we can discuss there.
Thanks for creating the issue.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:55 PM Ori Doolman
<Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com<mailto:Ori.Doolman@cyberark.com>> wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Did you check this?
I have created a Jira issue:
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Thanks ,
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Subject: RE: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Hi Pedro,
I almost got it all working, but I think I bumped into bug... :( Please confirm if this is
a bug or an expected behavior.
I'm using latest Keycloak v6.01. I believe you can reproduce it as well.
I have created:
1. Resource R with scopes S1, S2.
2. User based policy P1 for user1
3. User based policy P2 for user2
4. scope-based permission SBP1 for R1+S1 mapped to policy P1 (granting user1 access to
R1:S1) 5. scope-based permission SBP2 for R1+S2 mapped to policy P2 (granting user2
access to R1:S2)
When I request an RTP, everything is as expected. User1 token returns R1:S1 and user2
token returns R1:S2.
But, if I add to SBP1 also S2, I expect that user1 will have access to both R1:S1 and
R1:S2. However, I still get only R1:S1.
This seems like a bug.
If I revert the change and add to SBP2 also S1, I expect that user2 will have access to
both R1:S1 and R1:S2. However, in this case I get access_denied and no scopes at all.
This is really inconsistent and seems like a bug.
Here is how I send the RPT request:
POST /auth/realms/epm-account1/protocol/openid-connect/token HTTP/1.1
Host: localhost:8180
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Authorization: Bearer <myToken>
User-Agent: PostmanRuntime/7.13.0
Accept: */*
Cache-Control: no-cache
Postman-Token: ca36fc4e-d551-4525-a406-9afe674b1312,3731c4f2-6e71-475d-a6bf-171b6dc6b0cc
Host: localhost:8180
accept-encoding: gzip, deflate
content-length: 99
Connection: keep-alive
cache-control: no-cache
grant_type=urn%3Aietf%3Aparams%3Aoauth%3Agrant-type%3Auma-ticket&audience=epm-web&permission=R1
Please check that.
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Pedro,
1. How do I obtain the pushed claims in my JS policy code? Is it by
$evaluation.getContext().getAttribes() ?
Do you have an example?
2. Is there any way to debug the JS policy? Or at least print to logs from the policy
code?
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Here it is
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.keycloak.org_doc...;.
FYI, you can also use client roles in your policies.
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:14 AM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
We have thousands of accounts , therefore option 1 is not feasible.
As for 2nd option, if I configure accounts as resource, and my app's permissions as
scopes per account/resource (all 200 app's permissions), I expect to get in RPT
different permissions if I am user A role R1 or user B role R2. In the same time, user A
has difderent role on other account. This is why I cannot use realm roles.
Is there any way to push claims when I request for an RPT?
The only thing I saw is requesting for specific permission/scope.
What I'm really missing in KC is a way to represent this relatively simple model of
different user permissions per account.
(Users and accounts relation is Many to many).
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
I see. In this case, you could write a JS policy that checks both the account and the
role. Where the account could be passed to your policy as a claim. The issue here is that
you will end up with a quite huge policy depending on how many accounts you have.
The second approach would be to manage accounts as resources and have those permissions
for each resource. You would need to provisioning logic in your application to create the
resource + permissions when a new account is created. Permissions could then be obtained
based on a per-account basis.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM Ori Doolman <
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wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
But the definition below is exactly what I tried to do and got stuck.
This is because the “manager permissions” (A, B, C) is given only for role manager and
*for account 1*. For account 2, the same user will have totally different permissions.
I don’t have the accounts configured in Keycloak.
Even if I configure an account as a resource, this account will have scopes X,Y,Z for user
1 and scopes A, B, C for user 2.
See my problem?
Ori.
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To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
Would be the account a resource and permissions their corresponding scopes/actions that
can be performed on an account ?
If a role implies access to some scopes/actions you can perform on an account (which is a
resource), you could write "scope-based policies" such as:
* "Manager Permission" is defined for scopes A, B and C with a role-policy that
enforces "manager" role
* "Regular Permission" is defined for scopes X, Y and Z with a role-policy that
enforces "regular" role
With this setup, if the user has both manager and regular roles access shall be granted to
account and scopes A, B, C, X, Y, and Z. Otherwise, the scopes granted will depend on the
role assigned to the user.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:29 PM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
Hi Pedro and all,
I managed to use get an RPT given an access token.
My problem is that I cannot find a good way to model my application's permission in
Keycloak.
Maybe you or someone else can help with that, since I think it is a pretty standard
model:
I have many "accounts" and many users.
I have several roles in my application, each represents a set of allowed permissions.
Each user is assigned a role *per account*.
That means that one user can be a "manager" user for account 1 (with effective
permissions a,b,c) and a "regular" user for account 2 (with effective
permissions x, y, z).
So as you see, my user roles (and permissions) is always in the context of an account.
This is why I cannot just configure static client roles and use them for policies. My
permissions always depend on the data, the account context.
What is the best way (if any) to model this kind of permissions in Keycloak?
Thanks,
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user Ok Pedro, I think I got it. Thanks a lot for thr clarification.
My current plan is to make the exchange in API-GW.
I get 2 advantages:
1) No change in client application and no need to involve client with server side
authorization.
2) I need to make sure access token is still valid and user did not performed logout.
API-GW seems the correct place to do that. So in a single call to KC I get both token
validation and token exchange.
I will try that and update the forum if succeeded. I think this is a typical classic
deployment and such a documented solution can assist a lot of people.
Ori.
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To: Ori Doolman
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:21 PM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for the prompt response :)
Yes, I need RBAC only at the moment.
When you said my web application should make the token exchange, do you mean client side
(javascript ) or server side?
Client-side
I can also make it from API-GW which is even better I think. what is the common practice
to send it to the server? I cannot use the Authorization header since it alteady contains
the access token.
Not sure if API-GW is better but you can replace the access token with permissions (sent
by the client) in the authorization header. It is just an access token + permissions.
Pretty much the original + permissions.
Also, it means that I will have to make this call once per session (after login) rather
than once in a process lifetime, since the roles->permissions mapping is pretty much
static information.
It doesn't sounds like the optimal approach.
Yes, you would need a per session exchange.
Ori.
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Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] How to get the role -> permissions for an authenticated
user There is no way to automatically set the permissions (from a client authorization
settings) when an access token is issued. Like you said, you need another call to the
token endpoint using the uma-grant-type.
However, your web application will make that call only once in order to exchange the
access token with another one with the permissions you need to access your backend. Your
client should also be able to perform incremental authorization and limit the numbers of
permissions within the token.
Using a pure RBAC approach also works for your case, I think. Although you are limited to
RBAC (thus tied with the roles you are using to protect resources) and not able to use
resource-based authorization.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Ori Doolman
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wrote:
Hi,
I have a web application (Angular) which calls a REST API in a Java microservice.
In my application, which manages books, I have a "regular" and "admin"
roles.
"regular" is allowed to execute API readBook.
"admin" is allowed to execute APIs readBook, deleteBook, createBook.
The mapping between the user roles to the permissions (book:read , book:create,
book:delete) is currently in my app DB. I guess I can migrate all roles and permissions
into Keycloak using the resources/permissions/policies entities.
I get an access token in the client (using code flow or implicit flow). The token contains
the current user roles. But not the permissions.
When I call my REST API I send the access token to my REST endpoint in the http header.
The token contains the user roles, but not the user permissions. In fact, what I really
need is the user permissions for checking authorization.
1. What is the best practice of getting the user permissions in my REST service? Can I
have them become part of the JWT access token when the token is created?
Or is there any other recommended way to "map" the roles into the effective
permissions at runtime?
Maybe keep the role->permissions in my current DB and load them to service cache ?
2. I want to avoid calling Keycloak for every REST API call because this will result
bad performance. From what I read, if I want to use Keycloak authorization services I must
call Keycloak for every API request and get the permissions (an RPT token). Is that the
only way?
1. Another alternative I thought of:
have 2 user groups "Admins" and "Regulars". For "Admins" I
will add roles "book:read" , "book:create", "book:delete"
and for the "Regulars" group I will add only "book:read" role.
This way, if a user belongs to the admins group, he will have all the permissions (roles)
in the JWT access token.
Thanks,
Ori.
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