Antoine Reilles ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?accountId=557058%... ) *commented* on HHH-15544 ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-15544?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiZjUwZj... ) Re: OrderColumn invalid value on add for LAZY entity ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-15544?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiZjUwZj... ) 0001-try-to-do-the-same-in-jpa.patch ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/attachment/50062/50062_0001-try-to... ) You are right, I most certainly missed something in my setup that causes the issue. In my case, the different operations are executing in a tomee instance, executing hibernate through jpa, and using either hsqldb or mariadb as a database (I reproduced it with both databases). I tried to develop on your sample code to do the same on jpa, but I see a problem in fetching the rank again, but here is is probably that I did something wrong. ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-15544#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Add Comment ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-15544#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Get Jira notifications on your phone! Download the Jira Cloud app for Android ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlassian.android.jira.... ) or iOS ( https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1006972087?pt=696495&ct=Em... ) This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v1001.0.0-SNAPSHOT#100207- sha1:1c92a42 )