I hadn't considered the screencasts, and it does result in this having a much bigger
impact than I'd considered. So it's definitively not something to do now, probably
not in the future either.
Just to clarify, I was considering sites that have a main and a sub navigation menu. So
for those sites you've listed:
*
cloud.google.com - has a single navigation menu, so it can be on the left that's
fine
* gmail - has a single navigation menu, the bit above lists/mails are tools for the
particular view
* github - has two navigation menus, the main (explore, gist, blog) is at the top, while
the sub is at the right (code, pr, etc..) / github is horrible though, I always have to
search around to find things
* wordpress - can't comment as I don't use it
It goes to reason that a user scans a page from top to bottom, and in a LTR language from
left to right. Hence the menus should be placed according to scan-order. Talking about
screen estate this would save 90px in vertical height, which is around 10% on most
displays, but I appreciate that horizontal scaling is acceptable.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Burke" <bburke(a)redhat.com>
To: keycloak-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January, 2014 3:59:44 PM
Subject: Re: [keycloak-dev] Proposed changes to menu
I think "most applications/websites have their main menu at the top" is
a stianism.
cloud.google.com has their menu on the left. gmail has
their menu both on the left and top. Github has their menus on right.
Wordpress has their console menus on the left.
.
So I'd say that most applications/websites have completely different
ways of organizing their menus and I find this change does nothing for
me other than waste a week of work I did.
On 1/21/2014 10:47 AM, Bill Burke wrote:
> #1, I've used and like the breadcrumbs.
> #2, I don't think this is as significant as you claim. This is
> completely an aesthetic change. It doesn't reduce any clicks. At least
> as compared to Wildfly/JBoss console, *most* of interesting menu items
> are on the left side.
> #3, We may run out of room on the top menu as we may be adding things
> like "devices" and "servers". Not everybody has 1900x1200
displays and
> the admin UI already bearly fits in 1024x800 screencasts.
> #4, This change wastes a week of work I did on screencasts for minimal
> gain. I'm going to be seriously pissed if I have to redo these before
> Thursday...
>
> So, -1 and no vote for me at least for Alpha 1.
>
> On 1/21/2014 10:02 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
>> When writing documentation to using the admin console I realised the menus
>> are confusing.
>>
>> Most applications/websites have their main-menu at the top, with a
>> sub-menu on the left (or right).
>>
>> Also I don't think there's any benefit to the breadcrumbs as we never
>> navigate deep enough for it to be useful.
>>
>> I propose that we move the items from the menu to the left into the same
>> menu as the realm selector. Then we move the sub-menu items into the left
>> menu. And also remove the breadcrumb. See attached screenshot for how
>> this would look like.
>>
>> I think this is a significant improvement, and it would be worth to get
>> this into the alpha1 IMO. I can have this tested and committed today if
>> there's consent for it!
>>
>>
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