Re: [Hawkular-dev] hawkular.org - Redux Initiative

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Stefan Negrea <snegrea(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > Thank you, > Stefan Negrea > > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Edgar Hernández <ehernand(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> >> On 07/04/2017 02:41 AM, Thomas Heute wrote: >> >> Agreed, Hawkular Services need more love, not to disappear. >> It may be renamed to "Hawkular ManageIQ Provider" on the website if that >> helps with clarity, but shouldn't disappear. >> >> Also there is no quickstart anymore, it's very rough for people. >> >> >> >> What!? This really comes as a surprise for me. All this time my thinking >> was that "services" was the thing bundling all parts together and, because >> of the quickstarts, I believed that "services" was the preferred way to get >> Hawkular. This idea is further supported by exploring the DockerHub, where >> only images of Hawkular-services are available. >> >> Also, right after "Inventory" got removed, "services" and "alerts" were >> somewhat redundant for me because "metrics" is included with "alerts" (and >> "services" also includes both). And, now, starting with "metrics 0.27.0 >> <https://github.com/hawkular/hawkular-metrics/releases/tag/0.27.0>" I >> can see that metrics also includes alerts. So, the thing looks more >> redundant now. But with time I learned that "services" provides the >> operations api, used by ManageIQ. I don't know if there are other features >> provided by "services". But those extra features are not documented in the >> website and people new to Hawkular won't realize what's the idea behind >> "services". >> >> - Edgar. >> > > Hawkular Metrics started bundling Alerting in October of last year and > there are no plans to not bundle it. > ​I don't want to side track the discussion too much, but if we are going to target kubernetes/openshift as the base platform, then maybe it does make sense to consider changing the deployment. We should probably have separate containers for metrics and for alerts.​ > > We need to make a differentiation between the components (Alerting, > Metrics, Trancing) and their integration into other projects. Hawkular > Services is a specific integration for ManageIQ. We need to adjust the > content around the core components to be able to build a community around > the core components. The integrations are just delivery methods for these > components. The integration of Hawkular Metrics and Alerting (there is a > special bundle for that just like Hawkular Services) in OpenShift Origin > has been used a lot more people than Hawkular Services ever was. Yet it is > nowhere featured or discussed. We need to refocus the front page on the > core components. Hawkular Services or Hawkular Metrics & Alerting OpenShift > Origin (or other future integrations) should be mentioned but in another > section. > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hawkular-dev mailing list >> hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > > _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev