On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 3:27 PM James Perkins <jperkins(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:55 AM Darran Lofthouse <
darran.lofthouse(a)jboss.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 8:06 PM Brian Stansberry <
> brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 1:03 PM James Perkins <jperkins(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 9:26 AM Brian Stansberry <
>>> brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:54 PM James Perkins
<jperkins(a)redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since I've been one that keeps talking about this, it seems I
should
>>>>> reply here as well :)
>>>>>
>>>>> In general we could, and really probably should, start with a known
>>>>> set of dependencies to upgrade. Otherwise we'll probably see A
LOT of
>>>>> dependency upgrade PR's.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can we start by just doing this in dependabot.yml:
>>>>
>>>> ignore:
>>>> - dependency-name: "*"
>>>> update-types: ["version-update:semver-major",
>>>> "version-update:semver-minor"]
>>>>
>>>
>>> We could, yes. We will likely have a lot of upgrades come in that way.
>>> This might be okay, but my initial thought was to list specific
>>> dependencies we know to be upgradeable without a JIRA. I'm definitely up
>>> for being aggressive if we want though :)
>>>
>>
>> I'll confess to being too lazy to try and figure out which deps to
>> allow. :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So we limit things to just the micros.
>>>>
>>>> Dependabot will only produce 5 open PRs at a time, unless we specify a
>>>> different number via dependabot.yml.* So we can process 5 at a time and
>>>> even quickly close ones that will require more thought than we want to
>>>> spend at that time. The dependency update report that's sent to this
list
>>>> every week will prevent any we ignore or close from falling into a
crack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Perhaps we should start with a smaller max number and increase it
>>>> every day or so until we get to whatever our long-term target is. IOW,
>>>> avoid an initial CI-hogging flood.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The CI concerns are definitely valid. I hadn't considered that.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think it's *that* big a deal if our long term target is fairly
>> small. Like if we turned it on on a Friday afternoon not near any tagging
>> deadline probably no one would even notice the load.
>>
>> We need to be careful about rebase-strategy though. Having say 5 PRs
>> continually rebasing and kicking off CI every time we merge would be bad.
>> Probably we should turn it off and use the pull player /retest when we want
>> a retest, same as we do with human-created PRs.
>>
>
> +1 this must rebase strategy of GitHub to me feels like the strategy of
> how can we make it feel more like SVN - we don't need rebases on our PRs
> and if we are concerned about a combo we do one aggregate PR to test
> together.
>
I rebase PR's all the time :) That said, you can still rebase dependabot
PR's with a comment of @dependabot rebase. You could use recreate instead
as well. The main reason for the rebase though is when a PR has a conflict.
Yeah for merge conflicts rebases are often the best, it is more the GitHub
options of deliberately updating commit history I am commenting on.
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https://docs.github.com/en/code-security/dependabot/dependabot-version-up...
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>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One thing to note too is that dependabot will create a branch in the
>>>>> repository. Anyone doing a fetch locally will get this new branch.
Not
>>>>> really a huge deal, but something to keep in mind. Locally you might
want
>>>>> to run git remote prune <your_remote> a little more often if
you like to
>>>>> keep things clean :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tip!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 10:33 AM Brian Stansberry <
>>>>> brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Occasionally we've thought about turning on dependabot for
the main
>>>>>> WildFly repo, and a couple current discussions (see [1] and [2])
relate to
>>>>>> that, so it seems a good time to discuss further and perhaps take
action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My main concern with dependabot is it doesn't integrate with
JIRA.
>>>>>> JIRA is really important to how we're able to keep a handle
on a project as
>>>>>> complex as WildFly. And I think it's important to track
component upgrades
>>>>>> in JIRA so our users can keep an eye on what we're providing.
Particularly
>>>>>> important in the world of ubiquitous CVE scanners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But James Perkins has pointed out that such JIRA tracking is kind
of
>>>>>> overkill for non-production dependencies (e.g. test and build
deps) and I
>>>>>> agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, how about we turn on dependabot and require a JIRA to be
filed
>>>>>> and linked to the PR if the proposed upgrade is production code
dep? For
>>>>>> non-production deps a JIRA would be optional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing I care about a lot is being able to grep the git
log
>>>>>> for commits related to a JIRA. That would of course be lost for
>>>>>> non-production upgrades with no JIRA. Oh well. Also though
dependabot
>>>>>> wouldn't put our JIRA in its commit messages. But for PRs
where we file a
>>>>>> JIRA we can require human edit of the dependabot PR title to
reference the
>>>>>> JIRA. That will result in the JIRA appearing in the log via the
merge
>>>>>> commit Github generates. That solves the git log use case
adequately enough
>>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TBH I only grep for JIRA's if I have the JIRA I'm trying to
find the
>>>>> commit for. Short of that, I pretty much just use git blame on the
file to
>>>>> find out which commit changed a line. But everyone has their own
workflow
>>>>> and I don't want to push mine on anyone :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
https://lists.jboss.org/archives/list/wildfly-dev@lists.jboss.org/thread/...
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
https://lists.jboss.org/archives/list/wildfly-dev@lists.jboss.org/thread/...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Brian
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>>>>> James R. Perkins
>>>>> JBoss by Red Hat
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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