8:27 a.m.
On 06/26/2014 05:31 PM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
Thanks, Joe, for looking into this.
I'm curious what you've done so far with your 'ls --resolve-expressions'
work. Did you use the existing ':resolve-expression(expression=___)' low
level operation to process any expressions found in the :read-resource
response?
There are a few aspects of this I'd like to explore.
One is the UX one. Is allowing 'resolve-expressions' in some contexts
and not others a good UX? Will users understand that? I'm ambivalent
about that, and am interested in others' opinions.
If it can work for a server and for anything under /host=*, then I'm
ambivalent. Any restriction at all is unintuitive, but once the user
learns that there is a restriction, that's a pretty understandable one.
If it only works for a patchwork of stuff under /host=* then I'm real
negative about it. An area of concern is /host=*/server-config=*, where
an expression might be irrelevant to the host, only resolving correctly
on the server that is created using that server-config. That will need
careful examination.
A second one is how this data would be displayed with 'ls'. A separate
additional column? Or replacing the current data? The answer to this
might impact how it would be implemented server side.
Keep in mind that ls is an example. There are other commands that will
have to support this feature once it's implemented in one place. Another
example is read-attribute command. The ability to resolve expressions
elsewhere will be a natural expectation then.
So, it has to be thought of as a general features that can be applied to
various cli commands.
IMO, the values returned should just be replaced with the resolved ones
for display. Some commands support --verbose argument, in which case
additional info is displayed in columns, there we could include the
original value.
The output of the cli commands in some cases is parsed by scripts or
other code, so keeping it simple will help there too.
The third aspect is the technical issue of how to make any
'resolve-expressions' param or CLI argument available in certain
contexts and not in others. That's very likely solvable on the server
side; not sure how difficult it would be in the CLI high-level command.
Current tab-completion supports dependencies of command arguments and
their values on the current context (connection to the controller,
standalone/domain mode, the presence of other arguments on the line and
the values specified for them, etc). Technically, there shouldn't be an
issue.
I am more concerned about how intuitive that will look like for the user
in various contexts.
Alexey
FYI, for others reading this, offline Joe pointed out there's a
related
JIRA for this: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-1069.
On 6/26/14, 5:41 AM, Edward Wertz wrote:
> I'm looking into whether it's possible to automatically resolve expressions
when executing operations and commands in the CLI.
>
> >From my understanding, there are two variations of the problem.
>
> * Operations are server-side processes that are accessed via ':' in the
CLI and, currently, the CLI presents the results returned as-is to the users. ex:
':read-resource'
>
> * Commands are processes that get manipulated by the CLI before getting presented
to users. ex: 'ls'
>
> I've been experimenting with adding arguments to the CLI commands, like 'ls
--resolve-expressions', and gotten it working for the standalone and domain side of
things. However, I can't control the scope of the argument, so it's available in
situations that cannot accurately resolve expressions like the 'profile=full'
section of the domain tree. The results wouldn't be reliable.
>
> The same problem would apply to adding parameters to the server-side operations. The
scope of the operations themselves can be controlled, but not their parameters. An
execution like ':read-resource(recursive=true resolve-expressions=true)' can't
resolve expressions unless it's used against an actual server or host, but the
operation is available almost everywhere. Again, the results wouldn't be reliable.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a way to attack this problem? There is
already a ':resolve-expression(expression=___)' operation, so users can somewhat
laboriously get the runtime values they want, but I can't figure out a way to
integrate the values into the existing framework successfully. Other than creating
entirely new operations and commands, like 'ls-resolve' and
':read-resource-resolve', which seems like an unsustainable way to solve the
problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Wertz
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