8:50 a.m.
Hey,
I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
Thanks,
Matt Wringe
9:37 a.m.
I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
I've been asking the same question every now and then for a few weeks now. The answer
I've been consistently getting is "it will scale when we get the customer to
cluster the hawkular servers by putting one if his own load balancers in front" :)
9:53 a.m.
I can't answer for Hawkular as a whole. But for the metrics component,
the principle is to grow the backend Cassandra and Wildfly servers
clusters. You'll need a load balancer in front of the Wildfly servers.
There's no documentation yet. Cassandra cluster administration is
extensively documented though.
Le 09/03/2015 14:50, Matt Wringe a écrit :
Hey,
I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
Thanks,
Matt Wringe
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10:27 a.m.
For metrics it is more than a load balancer and scaling Cassandra. We have to also
consider things like,
* computing aggregates
* changing data retention
* deleting metrics
We need to decide how these types of work should be distributed across hawkular metrics
nodes.
On Mar 9, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Thomas Segismont
<tsegismo(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I can't answer for Hawkular as a whole. But for the metrics component,
the principle is to grow the backend Cassandra and Wildfly servers
clusters. You'll need a load balancer in front of the Wildfly servers.
There's no documentation yet. Cassandra cluster administration is
extensively documented though.
Le 09/03/2015 14:50, Matt Wringe a écrit :
> Hey,
>
> I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
> Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Wringe
>
>
>
>
>
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7:07 a.m.
Hi,
So what we're looking for is basically YARN or equivalent. Batch
operations, durable streaming applications, data warehousing,
resilience, scalability.. All of the tools that provide us such features
are quite heavyweight solutions. If we keep adding small solutions such
as "Cassandra", "Spark" or others, we'll soon need to containerize
them
to stick together and so on.. and eventually we'll have a Hadoop.
And I hope we won't reinvent such platform. So more likely we'll need to
scale down what we really really need.
- Micke
On 09.03.2015 17:27, John Sanda wrote:
For metrics it is more than a load balancer and scaling Cassandra. We
have to also consider things like,
* computing aggregates
* changing data retention
* deleting metrics
We need to decide how these types of work should be distributed across hawkular metrics
nodes.
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Thomas Segismont <tsegismo(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> I can't answer for Hawkular as a whole. But for the metrics component,
> the principle is to grow the backend Cassandra and Wildfly servers
> clusters. You'll need a load balancer in front of the Wildfly servers.
>
> There's no documentation yet. Cassandra cluster administration is
> extensively documented though.
>
> Le 09/03/2015 14:50, Matt Wringe a écrit :
>> Hey,
>>
>> I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
>> Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt Wringe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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9:46 a.m.
I am not sure why you think we are looking for YARN. I think we have been pretty
consistent about needing to keep external dependencies to a minimum. Granted I have said
that Spark is something we ought to look at, but I have also said that its biggest
drawback is the additional external dependencies. As for Cassandra, we introduced that in
RHQ after a lengthy, thorough, collaborative analysis because it was clear that the RDBMS
was not the best fit for metrics. I think we should take a similar approach when
considering new/other external dependencies. Trying to minimize external dependencies does
not preclude the need for batch operations, streaming, resilience, scalability, etc. It
may however make those features more difficult to implement.
On Mar 10, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Michael Burman
<miburman(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi,
So what we're looking for is basically YARN or equivalent. Batch
operations, durable streaming applications, data warehousing,
resilience, scalability.. All of the tools that provide us such features
are quite heavyweight solutions. If we keep adding small solutions such
as "Cassandra", "Spark" or others, we'll soon need to
containerize them
to stick together and so on.. and eventually we'll have a Hadoop.
And I hope we won't reinvent such platform. So more likely we'll need to
scale down what we really really need.
- Micke
On 09.03.2015 17:27, John Sanda wrote:
> For metrics it is more than a load balancer and scaling Cassandra. We have to also
consider things like,
>
> * computing aggregates
> * changing data retention
> * deleting metrics
>
> We need to decide how these types of work should be distributed across hawkular
metrics nodes.
>
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Thomas Segismont <tsegismo(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can't answer for Hawkular as a whole. But for the metrics component,
>> the principle is to grow the backend Cassandra and Wildfly servers
>> clusters. You'll need a load balancer in front of the Wildfly servers.
>>
>> There's no documentation yet. Cassandra cluster administration is
>> extensively documented though.
>>
>> Le 09/03/2015 14:50, Matt Wringe a écrit :
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
>>> Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Matt Wringe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev
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9:59 a.m.
Related to Alerts, we have three aspects to consider in a clustering configuration:
a) Clustered Queues/Topics.
b) A common persistence datasource, at the moment we are using H2, and it is not decided
yet what it will be the future one.
c) Our engine has a backend session for inference. We need to review if under a) we
don't have concurrency hazards.
c) is in our todo list as soon as we progress in the MVP.
HTH,
Lucas
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Subject: [Hawkular-dev] Clustering and Scalability
Hey,
I am trying to figure out how clustering and scalability works in
Hawkular/Hawkular metrics. Do we have any documentation on this?
Thanks,
Matt Wringe
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