Gavin King ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?accountId=557058%... ) *created* an issue Hibernate ORM ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiM2UyYjllZjhk... ) / Improvement ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16715?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiM2UyYj... ) HHH-16715 ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16715?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiM2UyYj... ) accept value() or element() in place of elements() and key() or index() in place of indices() ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16715?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiM2UyYj... ) Issue Type: Improvement Assignee: Unassigned Components: query-hql Created: 29/May/2023 12:44 PM Priority: Major Reporter: Gavin King ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?accountId=557058%... ) Writing the docs, I still struggle to explain the role of the elements() and indices() functions, and I think they’re still quite confusing. So what if we finally deprecated them and let you just use element() , value() , index() , and key() instead? That is, we would accept: * max(element(experiment.measurements)) , max(index(record.revisions)) * 0.0 < every element(experiment.measurements) , 1 = any index(record.revisions) * 1 in index(record.revisions) , "hibernate" in element(document.tags) In case 1, the revised syntax reads significantly better. In case 2, the revised syntax reads better if you use the every / any form of the quantifiers, or worse if you use the all / some version. In case 3, the revised syntax reads definitely worse. But how useful is in with collections when we also have: * member of , and * the option of writing 1 = any index(record.revisions). Or perhaps we could just make elements a synonym for element and indices a synonym for index and let you write whatever you like. Thoughts? ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16715#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Add Comment ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16715#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Get Jira notifications on your phone! Download the Jira Cloud app for Android ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlassian.android.jira.... ) or iOS ( https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1006972087?pt=696495&ct=Em... ) This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v1001.0.0-SNAPSHOT#100225- sha1:da60ad2 )