Jones ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?accountId=557058%... ) *commented* on HHH-16350 ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16350?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiMmJjM2... ) Re: PreLoadEvent listeners might receive PreLoadEvent with null state ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16350?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiMmJjM2... ) A small comment related to PreLoadEvent.getState() Switching to PostLoadEvent and using a workaround event.getPersister().getValues(event.getEntity()) might lead to a performance penalty (still investigating it whether that’s the case). Probably PreLoadEvent should also avoid any performance penalty when trying to guarantee the state is not null. And related to PostLoadEvent , it would be much better if it would have the same Object[] state as PreLoadEvent without having to calculate it with the persister.getValues(..) but that’s outside the scope of this issue. ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16350#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Add Comment ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-16350#add-comment?atlOrigin=ey... ) Get Jira notifications on your phone! Download the Jira Cloud app for Android ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlassian.android.jira.... ) or iOS ( https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1006972087?pt=696495&ct=Em... ) This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v1001.0.0-SNAPSHOT#100219- sha1:6a6077b )