6:31 a.m.
On 06/26/2013 06:40 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
On 25 Jun 2013, at 21:10, Max Rydahl Andersen
<manderse(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:08:57PM -0400, Sande Gilda wrote:
>> There is an outstanding pull for a cheatsheet for the kitchensink quickstart
here: https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/363
> ignore that PR its ancient by now and the example has moved on since as far as I can
see - maybe just use the cheatsheet.xml as a way to learn from.
Can we close the PR now then?
Are you saying that kitchensink cheatsheet.xml file is no longer valid
and should not be merged into the repository?
>> Max, did you see Pete's comment in that pull:
https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/363#issuecomment-11... I like
the idea of adding the steps to the CONTRIBUTING.md file. Would you be able to provide me
with the steps necessary to build a cheatsheet? I'll be glad to update the
CONTRIBUTING.md file.
> I've tried by giving the examples below in my original email - including links to
how to write cheatsheets.xml.
>
> Is that sufficient or need more specifics ?
>
>> Pete, I don't really expect to get much support from the contributors of the
early quickstarts at this point. I haven't had much luck when I've gone back with
questions and some contributors are no longer around. We have over 100 quickstarts now, so
if we need to create a cheatsheet for each of them, it would be nice if we could automate
part of the process, at least the basic template.
> As written before - I don't think cheatsheets are worth it for *all*, just do it
for a few to begin with.
>
> /max
>
>> On 06/25/2013 11:19 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>> Sande, Rafael, could you start brainstorming on how we add cheat sheets to
all archetypes and quickstarts?
>>>
>>> I recommend we create a simple (e.g. 5 step) process for doing this (and
review the hell out of this, make sure it's foolproof) then reach out to all the
original authors, and ask them to go the extra mile and send in the cheatsheet.
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2013, at 15:54, Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We've got this issue https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2557 and
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-199 open for a while.
>>>>
>>>> Main gist is to use eclipse cheatsheets where possible for quickstarts
and archetypes since
>>>> they can be more interactive/guiding of the user.
>>>>
>>>> From talking with Pete, he said he would prefer not to spend time on
this before
>>>> a simple import of a quickstart from disk (not using JBoss Central) could
open these
>>>> quickstarts.
>>>>
>>>> Thus in Beta1 and Beta2 of JBoss Tools we added a few things to make this
happen + some documentation.
>>>>
>>>> They are illustrated here:
http://docs.jboss.org/tools/whatsnew/examples/examples-news-4.1.0.Beta1.html
>>>>
>>>> Basically:
>>>>
>>>> A) There is now an option for showing cheatsheets if a project being
opened has .cheatsheet.xml or cheatsheet.xml in the root of the project.
>>>> (Beta1 had it default off for testing, in Beta2 we've enabled it
by default)
>>>>
>>>> B) We've made it so you can right click on a cheatsheet.xml file or a
project and use "Show In > Cheat sheets" for testing and for the case where
>>>> the user have *not* enabled the autoopen.
>>>>
>>>> C) We've added two cheatsheets commands to make it easier to script
for hightlighting things in the sourrouding project.
>>>>
>>>> Together with this is a screenshot showing how this works:
http://screencast.com/t/gK5JggVU
>>>> plus I created https://github.com/maxandersen/cheatsheet-helloworld which
if you import it in jbosstools Beta2 will open it s cheatsheet.xml and show the basics.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is sufficient now to get started on this.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think *all* quickstarts should have cheatsheets, but I think
it would be interesting to add for those where it can be used to enhance the explanations
found in the readme.md files.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if questions, and if we can help more in getting you started
on writing these.
>>>>
>>>> p.s. there is a cheetsheet.xml editor in eclipse, its great to get
started with and browse for other good commands to use, but I suggest editing by hand
since
>>>> the visual editor does seem to reformat/edit at bit too agressively.
>>>>
>>>> /max
>>>>
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