9:27 a.m.
James R. Perkins
Principal Software Engineer
On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 6:37 AM Brian Stansberry <bstansbe(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
First, just a note: if this becomes the replacement for
org.wildfly.core.testrunner.WildFlyRunner then
it would be used in the main WildFly code base. WildFlyRunner is used in
testsuite/manualmode. The server lifecycle in that testsuite is not meant
to span the surefire execution and is therefore controlled by the tests
themselves. So some tests used WildFlyRunner instead of Aquillian.
This is good to know. I thought we had a rule of not using it in the
WildFly test suite, but that might be wishful thinking on my part :) I
currently don't support manual mode, but that should be possible to
implement.
Second, re the other tools, with that you've kind of opened the topic of
wildfly-core-testsuite-shared, which is a somewhat messy mix of common
utilities useful in testing any any stack based on the WildFly Core kernel,
and then stuff that's just meant to be shared between various testsuite
modules in WildFly Core itself. The former part being heavily used in the
main WildFly testsuite. At a very quick glance, the tools stuff in your
repo looks like more of the former. So we should think about where we want
that kind thing to live.
Agreed. That makes sense to me. The intent of this tooling is as you
assumed, tooling to be used for testing with a WildFly Core based server.
I'd be happy to move more utilities over as well. I'm sure there are things
other projects may find helpful.
One factor in that kind of thinking is a distinction between the
wildfly-core-testsuite-shared stuff and probably what you have in mind for
your repo is that we generally say that the wildfly-core-testsuite-shared
stuff can only be used in wildfly/wildfly-core or wildfly/wildfly. So if we
changed something and that broke someone using it some other way, we'd not
fix that if it interfered with the main needs. I'd think that if we moved
something out of wildfly-core-testsuite-shared and into wildfly-testing-tools
we'd be saying it's more broadly usable and we'd maintain it that way.
Agreed which is why it's something I've left more generic, e.g. start/stop
a server, deploy an application, execute CLI commands, etc. I hadn't
planned on doing some kind of ServerSetupTask, but I guess that could make
sense that we could add some kind of task to execute before deployments and
after an undeploy. Something like that might make sense though as we might
be able to share it with WildFly Arquillian which IIRC we did try to create
some kind of a bridge at one point.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 10:47 PM James Perkins via wildfly-dev <
wildfly-dev(a)lists.jboss.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
> In some free time, I created a new project for WildFly i'm calling
> wildfly-testing-tools [1]. Currently this includes a JUnit Extension for
> managing a WildFly instance for tests. Please note this is NOT a
> replacement for Arquillian. This is aimed for cases that are much more
> simple than what Arquillian can handle.
>
> This could end up being used in WildFly Core as a replacement for the
> JUnit 4 TestRunner we have. The idea for this project came from me wanting
> to migrate the wildfly-maven-plugin to use JUnit 6. I needed a replacement
> for a simple test runner that is similar to what we have in WildFly Core,
> so I created this :)
>
> I also moved some things from WildFly Arquillian into this project. The
> reason being these were useful testing tools, but really don't have
> anything to do with Arquillian. These extensions can be used with or
> without Arquillian.
>
> I'd like to propose we make this a WildFly project. I'd like others to
> have a look and let me know if they would find it useful. I don't think
> it's something we want to bring into WildFly testing itself, but I can see
> it being useful for WildFly Core or projects where Arquillian might be a
> bit of an overkill.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/jamezp/wildfly-testing-tools
>
>
> James R. Perkins
>
> Principal Software Engineer
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