Re: [wildfly-dev] Is JMX Needed in Core?

Patton, John wrote: > I'll check if we did. We're looking into releasing the code we built to > expose the metrics, but we have to get approvals and it's taking a >while. > > Perhaps my thoughts are out of scope for the one conversation I decided >to > jump into. :) But, I do like having JMX available in the full dist and > enabling the modules in the provisioning tool. That sounds appealing > irrespective of the trouble we had grabbing various metrics once we got > JMX working. JMX has felt a bit like an afterthought with wildfly. Where JMX lives in the distro should not have any effect on the capabilities of the JMX subsystem. It will still be the same subsystem with the same functionality wether it lives in core or the full dist.

Stuart > > Cheers, > > -john > > > > > On 7/9/14 2:12 PM, "Brian Stansberry"<brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> >wrote: > >> If things you need are not exposed via the undertow subsystem >>management >> API, please file feature request JIRAs. Or even better, send a patch if >> you exposed it via the subsystem. >> >> On 7/9/14, 1:55 PM, Patton, John wrote: >>> I'd like to vote for adding it into the full dist and configuring the >>> provisioning tool to grab the JMX modules. >>> >>> We rely on JMX for accessing specific monitoring metrics and it's >>> difficult to get at some of the metrics that used to be easily >>>available >>> in prior versions for some metrics. We've had to jump through some >>> hoops >>> to get JMX working the way we need in wildfly 8 -- with the new >>>undertow >>> module, we had to write some code to expose some metrics that used to >>>be >>> part of the jbossweb module, like avgResponseTimeMS and requestCount. >>> Would be awesome if JMX support was more complete and part of the full >>> dist. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> John H Patton >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/9/14 1:27 PM, "Brian Stansberry"<brian.stansberry(a)redhat.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> My earlier reply on this thread was in the branch focused on the >>>> technical detail of how the dependency arises. Which should be fixed; >>>> sounds like that's happening. >>>> >>>> On the broader question of where stuff belongs, JMX is an interesting >>>> case. Lots of users will want JMX. A number of subsystems have >>>>optional >>>> dependencies on it, including some like jgroups and infinispan that >>>>may >>>> end up being part of their own dist, separate from the full dist. >>>> >>>> So what's the plan for catering to these needs? Ship it in the full >>>> dist >>>> and those who want it depend on the full dist but configure the >>>> provisioning tool to only grab the JMX modules? Make it a micro-dist? >>>> Maybe a mini-dist packaged with some others? JMX, system-jmx, pojo as >>>> the "deploy your own services" dist? (I don't like that last one, >>>>just >>>> brainstorming...) >>>> >>>> On 7/9/14, 5:47 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote: >>>>> Working with the split repo just questioning if JMX is really needed >>>>> in >>>>> core? >>>>> >>>>> Whilst most distributions would include it I am not convinced it is >>>>>a >>>>> subsystem all must have. >>>>> >>>> Manageable logging isn't either. Lots of people used >>>>logging.properties >>>> for a long time. >>>> >>>> Note I'm not advocating removing logging from core; I'm just saying >>>> that >>>> no subsystem has to be in core if that's the criteria. >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Darran Lofthouse. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> wildfly-dev mailing list >>>>> wildfly-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/wildfly-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brian Stansberry >>>> Senior Principal Software Engineer >>>> JBoss by Red Hat >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> wildfly-dev mailing list >>>> wildfly-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/wildfly-dev >>> This message, including any attachments, is the property of Sears >>> Holdings Corporation and/or one of its subsidiaries. It is >>>confidential >>> and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you >>> are not the intended recipient, please delete it without reading the >>> contents. Thank you. >>> >> >> -- >> Brian Stansberry >> Senior Principal Software Engineer >> JBoss by Red Hat > > This message, including any attachments, is the property of Sears >Holdings Corporation and/or one of its subsidiaries. It is confidential >and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you >are not the intended recipient, please delete it without reading the >contents. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > wildfly-dev mailing list > wildfly-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/wildfly-dev