Marko Bekhta ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?accountId=557058%... ) *commented* on HV-1946 ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HV-1946?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiYWIwMmRl... ) Re: PathImpl.createCopy() only performs a shallow copy ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HV-1946?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiYWIwMmRl... ) Built-in value extractors ( https://jakarta.ee/specifications/bean-validation/3.0/jakarta-bean-valida... ) section in the spec describes the names used for built-in extractors. While you are not required to pass a name … Hibernate Validator logic around nodes and paths was built with the idea in mind that those iterable (multivalued) containers would have something as a container element. That’s why if you do not pass anything as a node name, it messes up not only the paths in the constraint violations but also provides unexpected results when you call isInIterable() / getIndex() … as for this part … there’s a bit of explanation in the Javadocs. You can also take a look at the Listing 6.4 of ConstraintViolation section ( https://jakarta.ee/specifications/bean-validation/3.0/jakarta-bean-valida... ). In short - both isInIterable() / getIndex() are intended for a container element and not for the container itself. So if you have a path like componentValidatorText [0].<some container element name> then <some container element name> node will return isInIterable() == true / getIndex() == 0 but node componentValidatorText [0] will be just considered a container so it is not in iterable and as a result doesn’t have an index – isInIterable() == false / getIndex() == null ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HV-1946#add-comment?atlOrigin=eyJp... ) Add Comment ( https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HV-1946#add-comment?atlOrigin=eyJp... ) Get Jira notifications on your phone! Download the Jira Cloud app for Android ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlassian.android.jira.... ) or iOS ( https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1006972087?pt=696495&ct=Em... ) This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v1001.0.0-SNAPSHOT#100225- sha1:5ff5564 )