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Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.1, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.0.GA
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
that the user must visit the SLF4J website and obtain these jars himself. Maven users are
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"Adapter" may be the wrong term here but I think the point has been made :)
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Sam Douglass commented on HHH-3486:
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How are Maven users are completely unaffected? Since the Hibernate pom.xml doesn't
specify dependencies on any specific adapters you can't actually use Hibernate by just
adding a dependency on it to your project's pom.xml. You are required to additionally
add a dependency on a specific SLF4J adapter to your project's pom.xml file. It's
a bit like a missing dependency. The Hibernate pom.xml should specify a default adapter
(e.g. the JDK adapter) to include so that just adding a dependency on Hibernate provides a
working version of the API. Then people can optionally depend on a different adapter in
their project's pom.xml file if they like.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
that the user must visit the SLF4J website and obtain these jars himself. Maven users are
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Chris Bredesen commented on HHH-3486:
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Maven users are unaffected in terms of acquiring these extra jars, but they still need to
be aware of the extra needed dependencies. I'm not sure if it's feasible to
include a the JUL adapter as a dependency becuase AFAIK you need to include exactly one
adapter and there'd need to be a way to make that one go away in cases where the L4J
or other adapters are used instead.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Sam Douglass commented on HHH-3486:
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Ah, sorry I misunderstood your statement. I didn't know about SLF4J requiring one and
only one binding jar on the classpath, either. A quick look at their manual confirms that
is indeed the case.
Making a hypothetical default/bundled adapter go away ought to be pretty straightforward,
though, with an exclude in the hibernate-core dependency in your project's pom.xml:
<dependency>
<groupId>org.hibernate</groupId>
<artifactId>hibernate-core</artifactId>
<version>3.3.2.GA</version>
<exclusions>
<exclusion>
<groupId>org.slf4j</groupId>
<artifactId>slf4j-nop</artifactId>
</exclusion>
</exclusions>
</dependency>
<!-- specify a dependency on your preferred SLF4J adapter here -->
Also, after a quick look at other SLF4J adapter options, maybe the NOP or Simple adapters
would make better candidates than the JDK adapter...
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Not sure what the right answer is here honestly. I can empathize with both sides of the
discussion.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Chris Bredesen commented on HHH-3486:
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How do other projects that use SLF4J solve this?
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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This is silly. The core hibernate distribution zip file should include its dependencies
like it always have even if it break's maven's purity of essence (like fluoride
and spirits other than pure grain alcohol). You're putting out a distribution zip file
that when all the "REQUIRED" directory is included still throws an exception
because of a missing dependency that one has to google and go find a website to download
it from (and to boot there is no like MISSING.txt that explains it or something". If
maven can't handle a "requires one of" dependency then that is a pretty big
deficiency of it's implementation of basic logic.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
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requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Ceki Gulcu commented on HHH-3486:
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Please consider the fact that SLF4J version 1.4.0 and later output a
warning message in case the slf4j binding is missing. (SLF4J version
1.4.0 was released on May 16th 2007, i.e 30 months ago.)
The warning message states the following:
Failed to load class "org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder
See http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#StaticLoggerBinder for further details
Visiting the aforementioned link, you will read:
Failed to load class org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder
This error is reported when the org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder
class could not be loaded into memory. This happens when no
appropriate SLF4J binding could be found on the class path. Placing
one (and only one) of slf4j-nop.jar, slf4j-simple.jar,
slf4j-log4j12.jar, slf4j-jdk14.jar or logback-classic.jar on the class
path should solve the problem.
You can download SLF4J bindings from the project download page
(http://www.slf4j.org/download.html).
Thus, we have already put in place a runtime guide in order to help
the user tackle this issue. Instead of adding a build-time dependency
to hibernate (which would be quite detrimental), I believe that
improving this guide would be the most helpful approach going forward.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Oh well andy has chimed in (in his usual constructive tone); guess the decision is
made...
Andy how about you actually stop and think about the things you say for once? So by your
logic its not ok to be missing a "one of" dependency from
'lib/required', but its ok to include something in 'lib/required' that is
possibly not required? Really, how the * does that make sense please?
Oh wait, I know what you meant. We should really include all the slf4j adapter libs in
another directory within the hibernate dist bundle because there is just nowhere else on
the web where that is already done in an easily accessible manner?
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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And to be clear, I could really not care less about Maven wrt this choice. Logging is
*fundamentally" an end user choice.
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Paul Benedict commented on HHH-3486:
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Hibernate should not add any SL4FJ adapaters to its POM because it's an end user
choice. However, adding a line in the 3.5 reference manual would be beneficial, since I
had to figure out the missing dependencies myself.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Ceki, I think what you say is fine. Are you making a suggestion that I am missing?
We currently use 1.5.8. TBH I have not tested the theory about simply logging a warning
versus throwing errors. I know back when I was first pointed to slf4j it was the case
that y'all actually threw errors if the binding was not found. If that is really no
longer the case and y'all simply log a warning message, then this is perfect imo (this
is really no different than shipping log4j and not including a log4j.properties). So, if
this is the case, issue closed as far as I am concerned.
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Key: HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Paul, I added such a <tip/> in the documentation. It is in the "Set up"
section of the tutorial chapter. I am open to suggestions about where it might fit
better.
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Ceki Gulcu commented on HHH-3486:
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I was trying to point out that the current situation is not as bad as
described by Chris Bredesen when he writes:
SLF4J requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a
native or a wrapped implementation. The manual vaguely references such
a need but it's never quite clear that the user must visit the SLF4J
website and obtain these jars himself.
When the user hits the problem of the missing slf4j-binding, he or she
is warned by SLF4J with a reference for further information. This
runtime warning is more than "a vague reference in the manual". It
should also be quite clear from the reading the description of the
error code that the user must download a binding from the SLF4J site.
If for some reason the message emitted by SLF4J or the description of
the error code is unclear, I suggest that these be improved instead of
hard-coding an slf4j binding in hibernate. As you say, the choice of
the logging framework should be made by the end-user.
I welcome your suggestions in regard to the message emitted by SLF4J as
well as the related error description in [1].
[1] http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#StaticLoggerBinder
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Chris Bredesen commented on HHH-3486:
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Ceki,
Thanks for chiming in here. I did not file this bug to point fingers at SLF4J and in fact
the messages you say are logged are quite helpful. This issue deals with Hibernate not
shipping a complete distribution that is usable out of the box. If Steve thinks this is
OK as-is, let's close it as rejected.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Chris, lets be clear here. It is just as usable out of the box today as it was before
with log4j and no log4j.properties...
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole closed HHH-3486.
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Resolution: Rejected
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Paul Benedict commented on HHH-3486:
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I vote to close this issue. It's been documented and the Maven dependencies are
correct regarding SLF4J.
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Paul, I really am fine with documenting this better or documenting it in a better place.
I am just not sure how/where.
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Sam Douglass commented on HHH-3486:
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I'm honestly sorry to comment again now that this has been closed, but I do think
Hibernate is less usable out of the box without an SFL4J binding than it was without a
log4j.properties. Log4j would not throw any NoClassFoundErrors if its properties file was
missing. But with SFL4J, if there isn't a binding jar in the classpath to provide the
StaticLoggerBinder class, org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration can't even be loaded,
because it references LoggerFactory, and LoggerFactory can't be initialized because
the StaticLoggerBinder class can't be found. And that's even without any Hibernate
logging enabled. SFL4J does print out a URL where you can figure out what's going on,
which should be enough to figure out how to proceed. It might be even more helpful if the
"one and only one" binding requirement were worked around, by having the
LoggerFactoryBinder implementation classes in the binding jars have unique class names
instead of all being named StaticLoggerBinder, then using a property to configure which
implementation class to load. That way there could be a default that users could
optionally override. Anyway, this isn't the SFL4J bug tracker or mailing list so I
know that sort of suggestion isn't appropriate here. Sorry to have stirred up a
bee's nest but hey, at least this issue is closed now. ;)
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Oh well if that is the case then that's an issue. Ceki, I thought you said this is
what did not happen?
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Ceki Gulcu commented on HHH-3486:
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Sam's comments are two pronged. Let me answer each in turn.
If only slf4j-api.jar is not found on the classpath but no binding artifact such as
slf4j-simple.jar or slf4j-log4j12.jar, then LoggerFactory will output an error message
(mentioned multiple times above) and throw an exception. This is indeed different than
log4j.jar without log4j.properties which would simply output a warning message without
failing (whereas SLF4J fails).
On Sam's 2nd point. Adding more flexibility in SLF4J's binding strategy (via
properties) would introduce an unnecessary level of complexity. Having said that, if you
place 2 or more bindings on the class path, SLL4J will pick up the first, and output a
warning message listing the location of all the bindings, i.e. jar files, it found, so
that you can remove the superfluous bindings. SLF4J will not fail in this case.
HTH
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole reopened HHH-3486:
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So we need to do "somethign* here; let me think about it.
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Ceki, I think the confusing part in your first comment is that its not *just* outputting a
warning message. "Warning" implies "you might want to change this".
No, it throws exceptions and then outputs a message to the effect you said.
I must say that on the surface I completely agree that it seems very odd that having no
"logging binding" on the classpath causes the entire application to fail to
load. I agree that I don't think it makes sense to use different names for the
binders. That is sort of against the whole idea here. But like I said, making that
condition an error seems over the top. Especially for frameworks; it sort of of leaves us
in a bind.
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Additionally, I agree this is not the SLF4J JIRA :) So what do we do here?
I personally hate the idea of adding a dependency that 99% of all our users are going to
have to add excludes for right out of the box.
Yet certainly some users are unhappy with the current state.
Sam, I am curious why exactly you think Hibernate should add a new dependency that you
need to immediately exclude...
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Ceki Gulcu commented on HHH-3486:
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SLF4J could easily default to an NOP implementation if no binding
artifact were found. However, this has the disadvantage of leaving the
user scratching her head wondering why no logging output is
generated. With SLF4J's current fail-fast approach, an error message
is displayed followed by and exception, the user adds the desired
binding artifact on the class path and the issue is solved for good.
It ain't perfect but it works.
You are welcome to create an SLF4J bug report at
http://bugzilla.slf4j.org. Continuing here is OK as far as I am
concerned.
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Sam Douglass commented on HHH-3486:
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I think the value of the new dependency would be to get Hibernate to execute without a
NoClassDefFoundError "out of the box". Right now that's not possible, as far
as I can tell.
You're right that most people would likely change the binding, but they'd only
have to do it when they wanted to enable logging. And if the default binding were JDK
logging, for example, everybody would additionally be able to get at least some kind of
logging output from Hibernate "out of the box", too, which isn't possible
right now either. And they'd get it without having to add another dependency (on a
logging framework) since everybody has JDK logging (assuming we're all using 1.4+ by
now).
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Paul Benedict commented on HHH-3486:
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I don't think it's right to put the onerous on Hibernate to "execute out of
the box". Including a JDK logger would be nice, but then I would have to exclude it
to use another adapter.
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Steve Ebersole closed HHH-3486.
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Resolution: Rejected
Ceki, while I agree to an extent, the flip side is that you are putting pressure on
frameworks to add unnecessary "no op" bindings just so that noobs can get up and
running with these frameworks. The exact flip side of what you said is that given that
some framework does decide to add such an extraneous binding just to appease users is that
users will be left scratching their heads why they are getting no logging when they
actually do add a binding (because the "no op" one gets picked up first). And
worse, if frameworks are doing this there is no central place to find this reasoning (we
have enough faqs to deal with w/o duplicating slf4j faqs). Also, I think there is a
difference between whatever code is recognizing this situation and instead using a noop
set of impls versus adding "no op" binding to the classpath by default. In the
later case you in fact do run into these "which jar wins out" issues; in the
former there is no such danger...
Sam, I agree about it being a shame that this does not "work out of the box" by
just doing no logging. However I feel very strongly that it is not Hibernate's job to
specify this logging backend or that logging back end. At any rate, never would I choose
to specify a "real" binding; if forced to it, I would choose the "no
op" approach (see danger above). Feel free to open a ticket in slf4j requesting such
an enhancement.
Like I said above, to me this fundamentally comes down to the end user making a choice so
I am going to reject this as anything to do from Hibernate. Though, yes, I agree that I
can see how it would be better if slf4j handled this a little differently.
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Key: HHH-3486
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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So how about the bug being "Hibernate distribution throws exceptions and does not run
when all required jars are included" I could care less about SLF4J. I just think the
hibernate distribution when every jar from required is included should actually run.
(your usual arrogance and personal attacks ignored)
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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or as an alternative include a "requires-one" and include the various adapters.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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WRT my "usual arrogance" lol. Project much? Dude you were never anything but
an absolute a*hole anytime I talked with you Oddly until you became a contractor at JBoss
and actually needed stuff from me; then you wanted to be best buds. And just look at the
comments on this issue until "this is silly" and the general tone of your
comment. Useless I know but I suggest you consider some serious self examination. I know
that to self-serving a*holes like yourself "Not sure what the right answer is here
honestly. I can empathize with both sides of the discussion." can come off as
arrogance, but the rest of us are usually a bit more clear focused.
And as for your "suggestion", really?!? So duplicate all slf4j jars within the
hibernate distribution? Really? That's your suggestion?
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Components: build
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Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Chris Bredesen commented on HHH-3486:
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Again, this issue was about shipping a complete distribution, not about behavior. Steve
you were quite adamant in the past about shipping at least one working connection pool
with Hibernate so that the end user would have a more complete distribution. Indeed,
looking in the beta 2 archive, I see both c3p0 and Proxool. Given that, I assumed that
these optional-but-required SLF4J adapters would surely make the cut. Shipping a jar or
two would not force any decision on the end user, it would simply save them a trip.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
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Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Paul Benedict commented on HHH-3486:
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I recommend the nuclear option here: delete this JIRA issue.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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Dude I have no idea what your weird personal thing is and I don't really care (and
maybe that is my arrogance). I was not a contractor at JBoss for the entire time you
worked there until after it merged into Red Hat, I was an employee. I never wanted to be
best buds just get you to do your job to make customers happy. Mostly when I asked you
for things it was because someone told me to. I went to great pains to just do whatever
needed to be done myself most of the time. Not sure why you want to air this in the
middle of a jira bug about "dude, put out a distribution that runs" but okay.
on the matter at hand (and not your strange personal issues or weird long grudges):
why not:
hibernate.zip
required
...
requires-one
...
This way you have a whole and complete distribution that runs. That is how it always
worked before and is least confusing to users accustomed to a running distribution.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
-------------------------------------
Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Apparently comments cannot be deleted while issues are closed
https://support.atlassian.com/browse/JSP-47522
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Comment: was deleted
(was: Dude I have no idea what your weird personal thing is and I don't really care
(and maybe that is my arrogance). I was not a contractor at JBoss for the entire time you
worked there until after it merged into Red Hat, I was an employee. I never wanted to be
best buds just get you to do your job to make customers happy. Mostly when I asked you
for things it was because someone told me to. I went to great pains to just do whatever
needed to be done myself most of the time. Not sure why you want to air this in the
middle of a jira bug about "dude, put out a distribution that runs" but okay.
on the matter at hand (and not your strange personal issues or weird long grudges):
why not:
hibernate.zip
required
...
requires-one
...
This way you have a whole and complete distribution that runs. That is how it always
worked before and is least confusing to users accustomed to a running distribution.)
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
-------------------------------------
Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Resolution: Rejected
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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don't you think your unprovoked libelous attacks and slander ought to go too?
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
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Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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Ok, this is really my last comment on this issue. Far too much time on it already...
Its not "a jar or two". I am not sure which all strictly constitute bindings
but I see what appears to be 7, and that is not even accounting for dependencies of the
bindings! For example, if we bundle slf4j-log4j12 by y'alls logic we also need to
bundle some 1.2.x version of log4j, etc.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Steve Ebersole reopened HHH-3486:
---------------------------------
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
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Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Steve Ebersole updated HHH-3486:
--------------------------------
Comment: was deleted
(was: don't you think your unprovoked libelous attacks and slander ought to go too?
)
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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Resolution: Rejected
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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My issue is that you still have the libel above that I was some contractor.
http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.v43sb.htm
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Key: HHH-3486
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Steve Ebersole commented on HHH-3486:
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You are correct it was when you moved into a "consultant" role, not
"contractor" role.
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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Ceki Gulcu commented on HHH-3486:
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I reiterate my offer to default to an nop implementation in case no slf4j-binding could be
found on the class path. It's a small change in the slf4j-api which would imo nicely
address this issue. If interested, please open an slf4j bug report.
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
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Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
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implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
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of course unaffected since the additional SLF4J jars are published in the central repo.
"Adapter" may be the wrong term here but I think the point has been made :)
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New subject: [Hibernate-JIRA] Commented: (HHH-3486) Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Andrew C. Oliver commented on HHH-3486:
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Done: http://bugzilla.slf4j.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159
(sorry Ceki if I got the details wrong. I am not all that familiar with this particular
library)
Include one ore more SLF4J "adapters"
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Key: HHH-3486
URL: http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3486
Project: Hibernate Core
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: build
Affects Versions: 3.3.0.GA, 3.3.0.SP1, 3.3.1
Reporter: Chris Bredesen
Assignee: Steve Ebersole
Hibernate, as of 3.3, no longer distributes all jars needed to run the framework. SLF4J
requires the inclusion of the SLF4J library as well as either a native or a wrapped
implementation. The manual vaguely references such a need but it's never quite clear
that the user must visit the SLF4J website and obtain these jars himself. Maven users are
of course unaffected since the additional SLF4J jars are published in the central repo.
"Adapter" may be the wrong term here but I think the point has been made :)
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Chris Bredesen (JIRA)
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Paul Benedict (JIRA)
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