Re: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL. On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> We should fire a Jira for these. >> >> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu: >>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickst... - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work >>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ? >>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need. >> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/ > the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404. > >>>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then >>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side. >>>> This would increase the history of project/product >>> What does this mean? >> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about. >> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit. > Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying). > >>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton >>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each >>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a >>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the >>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get >>>>>> that information, which is really ugly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate >>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML? >>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the >>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web >>>>>> site and we could redirect it there? >>>>>> >>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version >>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j >>>>>> >>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata to the README files? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid. >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that >>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will >>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? >>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the >>>>>>>>>>>> original site? >>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to >>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that >>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) >>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or >>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ? >>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not >>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, >>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-( >>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;) >>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to >>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree? >>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site@openshift >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>;. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the pull: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the commit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/j... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-devel... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper