Re: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > We should fire a Jira for these. > > Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu: >> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickst... - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work >>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ? >> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need. > Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/ the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404. >> >>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then >>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side. >>> This would increase the history of project/product >> What does this mean? > During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about. > People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit. Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying). >> >>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton >>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each >>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a >>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the >>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get >>>>> that information, which is really ugly. >>>>> >>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate >>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML? >>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the >>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web >>>>> site and we could redirect it there? >>>>> >>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version >>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j >>>>> >>>>> WDYT? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one >>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata to the README files? >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to >>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid. >>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that >>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will >>>>>>>>>>> redirect to >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? >>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the >>>>>>>>>>> original site? >>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-) >>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to >>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that >>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) >>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or >>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ? >>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not >>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, >>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-( >>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;) >>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to >>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree? >>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site@openshift >>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>;. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the pull: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the commit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/j... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-devel... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >