Re: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:27, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I understand. > > This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the quickstarts along with the metadata such as the technologies they use, the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite? No. This will be an optional view on www.jboss.org/developer-materials. The redirect will go directly to this view. > On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now. >> >> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu: >>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don’t show it on each visit to the page. >>> >>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I liked that :) >>>> >>>> So I'll start the jdf-site@openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only >>>> >>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL. >>>>> >>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickst... - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work >>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ? >>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need. >>>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/ >>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then >>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side. >>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product >>>>>>>> What does this mean? >>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about. >>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit. >>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying). >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton >>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each >>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a >>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the >>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get >>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate >>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML? >>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web >>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version >>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata to the README files? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree? >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site@openshift >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>;. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the pull: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> • This was the commit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/j... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-devel... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper