Hi Doug, The instructions have no information about how to download WebSphere MQ, how to configure it, where to get the RAR, etc. A quickstart needs to have detailed instructions for every step in the process. Check out the "Install and Configure the PostgreSQL Database" in the root readme file for the quickstarts here for an example of what I'm talking about: https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart My biggest concern is the ability to configure, test (including automated tests), and support this quickstart. I still think there may be a better location for this information. Thanks, Sande On 11/13/2012 04:17 PM, Doug Grove wrote: > We actually had a debate internally on the applicability of this sample > code as a quickstart - for exactly the reasons that Sande lists. > > I originally wrote the code in my own testing project, but after several > customer requests, we thought to do it in quickstart format. > > I suspect that this might be a continuing theme. Use the quickstart > format for customer interactions, even if the specific topic may not > warrant inclusion on the main site. > > Certainly, let me know how I can improve the instructions. > > On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 15:25 -0500, Sande Gilda wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Doug submitted a quickstart that demonstrates IBM's WebSphere MQ >> messaging and Spring JMS. it's a very nice example, but I 'm don't think >> it is a good candidate for a quickstart. >> >> While we ship other quickstarts that are dependent on 3rd party >> software, currently we only include those where the 3rd party software >> is freely downloadable and fairly simple to configure. My concern with >> this quickstart is that even though you can get an evaluation copy for >> free, it is short term and doesn't allow us to test this quickstart over >> numerous releases. Also, WebSphere MQ requires setup and configuration >> and I really don't think we want to support this in a quickstart. I also >> don't know how we could set up automated tests for it. I would prefer to >> see this written up on confluence, docspace, or as a support document, >> although I think it needs more detailed instructions. >> >> You can view the pull here: >> >> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/356 >> >> >> What does everyone else think about this? >> >> Thanks, >> Sande >> > _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

I think there would be a big boon in doing that. Developers that saw our quickstarts on jdf would immediately understand the layout and flow of quickstarts from GSS. +1 from me (of course I can't speak for GSS) ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Doug Grove" <dgrove(a)redhat.com&gt; > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:46:19 AM > Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Spring WebsphereMQ quickstart > > Maybe it is sensible for GSS to keep a library of quickstarts that > follow the format we've got, but cover topics like this? > > On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:57, Sande Gilda wrote: > >> Hi Doug, >> >> >> The instructions have no information about how to download >> WebSphere MQ, how to configure it, where to get the RAR, etc. A >> quickstart needs to have detailed instructions for every step in >> the process. Check out the "Install and Configure the PostgreSQL >> Database" in the root readme file for the quickstarts here for an >> example of what I'm talking about: >> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart >> >> My biggest concern is the ability to configure, test (including >> automated tests), and support this quickstart. I still think there >> may be a better location for this information. >> >> Thanks, >> Sande >> >> >> On 11/13/2012 04:17 PM, Doug Grove wrote: >>> We actually had a debate internally on the applicability of this >>> sample >>> code as a quickstart - for exactly the reasons that Sande lists. >>> >>> I originally wrote the code in my own testing project, but after >>> several >>> customer requests, we thought to do it in quickstart format. >>> >>> I suspect that this might be a continuing theme. Use the >>> quickstart >>> format for customer interactions, even if the specific topic may >>> not >>> warrant inclusion on the main site. >>> >>> Certainly, let me know how I can improve the instructions. >>> >>> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 15:25 -0500, Sande Gilda wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Doug submitted a quickstart that demonstrates IBM's WebSphere MQ >>>> messaging and Spring JMS. it's a very nice example, but I 'm >>>> don't think >>>> it is a good candidate for a quickstart. >>>> >>>> While we ship other quickstarts that are dependent on 3rd party >>>> software, currently we only include those where the 3rd party >>>> software >>>> is freely downloadable and fairly simple to configure. My concern >>>> with >>>> this quickstart is that even though you can get an evaluation >>>> copy for >>>> free, it is short term and doesn't allow us to test this >>>> quickstart over >>>> numerous releases. Also, WebSphere MQ requires setup and >>>> configuration >>>> and I really don't think we want to support this in a quickstart. >>>> I also >>>> don't know how we could set up automated tests for it. I would >>>> prefer to >>>> see this written up on confluence, docspace, or as a support >>>> document, >>>> although I think it needs more detailed instructions. >>>> >>>> You can view the pull here: >>>> >>>> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/356 >>>> >>>> >>>> What does everyone else think about this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sande >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >

Yep, very true. Probably the best place we have for it. They'd need owners though, someone to keep them up to date and tested. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Jason Porter" <jporter(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Doug Grove" <dgrove(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:28:42 AM > Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Spring WebsphereMQ quickstart > > This is something that could be put on the customer portal... > > On 14 Nov 2012, at 16:27, Jason Porter wrote: > >> I think there would be a big boon in doing that. Developers that >> saw our quickstarts on jdf would immediately understand the layout >> and flow of quickstarts from GSS. >> >> +1 from me (of course I can't speak for GSS) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Doug Grove" <dgrove(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:46:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Spring WebsphereMQ quickstart >>> >>> Maybe it is sensible for GSS to keep a library of quickstarts that >>> follow the format we've got, but cover topics like this? >>> >>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:57, Sande Gilda wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Doug, >>>> >>>> >>>> The instructions have no information about how to download >>>> WebSphere MQ, how to configure it, where to get the RAR, etc. A >>>> quickstart needs to have detailed instructions for every step in >>>> the process. Check out the "Install and Configure the PostgreSQL >>>> Database" in the root readme file for the quickstarts here for an >>>> example of what I'm talking about: >>>> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart >>>> >>>> My biggest concern is the ability to configure, test (including >>>> automated tests), and support this quickstart. I still think >>>> there >>>> may be a better location for this information. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sande >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/13/2012 04:17 PM, Doug Grove wrote: >>>>> We actually had a debate internally on the applicability of this >>>>> sample >>>>> code as a quickstart - for exactly the reasons that Sande lists. >>>>> >>>>> I originally wrote the code in my own testing project, but after >>>>> several >>>>> customer requests, we thought to do it in quickstart format. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect that this might be a continuing theme. Use the >>>>> quickstart >>>>> format for customer interactions, even if the specific topic may >>>>> not >>>>> warrant inclusion on the main site. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly, let me know how I can improve the instructions. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 15:25 -0500, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Doug submitted a quickstart that demonstrates IBM's WebSphere >>>>>> MQ >>>>>> messaging and Spring JMS. it's a very nice example, but I 'm >>>>>> don't think >>>>>> it is a good candidate for a quickstart. >>>>>> >>>>>> While we ship other quickstarts that are dependent on 3rd party >>>>>> software, currently we only include those where the 3rd party >>>>>> software >>>>>> is freely downloadable and fairly simple to configure. My >>>>>> concern >>>>>> with >>>>>> this quickstart is that even though you can get an evaluation >>>>>> copy for >>>>>> free, it is short term and doesn't allow us to test this >>>>>> quickstart over >>>>>> numerous releases. Also, WebSphere MQ requires setup and >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> and I really don't think we want to support this in a >>>>>> quickstart. >>>>>> I also >>>>>> don't know how we could set up automated tests for it. I would >>>>>> prefer to >>>>>> see this written up on confluence, docspace, or as a support >>>>>> document, >>>>>> although I think it needs more detailed instructions. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can view the pull here: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/356 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What does everyone else think about this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Sande >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jdf-dev mailing list >>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> >

Do we have a consensus that this quickstart belongs in the GSS knowledge base? If so, I will close the pull.

On 11/14/2012 01:41 PM, Sande Gilda wrote: > I would be happy to assist in editing and helping with the layout if needed. > > Who on GSS needs to be copied for this? > > On 11/14/2012 11:29 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >> Yep, very true. Probably the best place we have for it. They'd need owners though, someone to keep them up to date and tested. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Jason Porter" <jporter(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Doug Grove" <dgrove(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:28:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Spring WebsphereMQ quickstart >>> >>> This is something that could be put on the customer portal... >>> >>> On 14 Nov 2012, at 16:27, Jason Porter wrote: >>> >>>> I think there would be a big boon in doing that. Developers that >>>> saw our quickstarts on jdf would immediately understand the layout >>>> and flow of quickstarts from GSS. >>>> >>>> +1 from me (of course I can't speak for GSS) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> To: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Doug Grove" <dgrove(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:46:19 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Spring WebsphereMQ quickstart >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it is sensible for GSS to keep a library of quickstarts that >>>>> follow the format we've got, but cover topics like this? >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:57, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Doug, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The instructions have no information about how to download >>>>>> WebSphere MQ, how to configure it, where to get the RAR, etc. A >>>>>> quickstart needs to have detailed instructions for every step in >>>>>> the process. Check out the "Install and Configure the PostgreSQL >>>>>> Database" in the root readme file for the quickstarts here for an >>>>>> example of what I'm talking about: >>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart >>>>>> >>>>>> My biggest concern is the ability to configure, test (including >>>>>> automated tests), and support this quickstart. I still think >>>>>> there >>>>>> may be a better location for this information. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Sande >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/13/2012 04:17 PM, Doug Grove wrote: >>>>>>> We actually had a debate internally on the applicability of this >>>>>>> sample >>>>>>> code as a quickstart - for exactly the reasons that Sande lists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I originally wrote the code in my own testing project, but after >>>>>>> several >>>>>>> customer requests, we thought to do it in quickstart format. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suspect that this might be a continuing theme. Use the >>>>>>> quickstart >>>>>>> format for customer interactions, even if the specific topic may >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> warrant inclusion on the main site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly, let me know how I can improve the instructions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 15:25 -0500, Sande Gilda wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doug submitted a quickstart that demonstrates IBM's WebSphere >>>>>>>> MQ >>>>>>>> messaging and Spring JMS. it's a very nice example, but I 'm >>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>> it is a good candidate for a quickstart. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While we ship other quickstarts that are dependent on 3rd party >>>>>>>> software, currently we only include those where the 3rd party >>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>> is freely downloadable and fairly simple to configure. My >>>>>>>> concern >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> this quickstart is that even though you can get an evaluation >>>>>>>> copy for >>>>>>>> free, it is short term and doesn't allow us to test this >>>>>>>> quickstart over >>>>>>>> numerous releases. Also, WebSphere MQ requires setup and >>>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>>> and I really don't think we want to support this in a >>>>>>>> quickstart. >>>>>>>> I also >>>>>>>> don't know how we could set up automated tests for it. I would >>>>>>>> prefer to >>>>>>>> see this written up on confluence, docspace, or as a support >>>>>>>> document, >>>>>>>> although I think it needs more detailed instructions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can view the pull here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-jdf/jboss-as-quickstart/pull/356 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What does everyone else think about this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Sande >>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev