7:04 a.m.
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
7:15 a.m.
Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
My 0.02.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and
moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
7:21 a.m.
I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop responding
to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at this
point though.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
My 0.02.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
7:24 a.m.
Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving to
only SO.
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just
stop
responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at this
point though.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
My 0.02.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
7:39 a.m.
Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To me
it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite important
if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous answered
question.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use
it
regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving to
only SO.
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>
> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
> this point though.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>
> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>
> My 0.02.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
>
>
8:08 a.m.
+1
Keycloak will reach a greater audience on SO.
___
Rafael T. C. Soares
On 02/24/2017 09:39 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've
never used
Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To me
it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite important
if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous answered
question.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving to
> only SO.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
>> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>>
>> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
>> this point though.
>>
>> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>>
>> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
>> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>>
>> My 0.02.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
>> Stack Overflow instead.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> _______________________________________________
>> keycloak-user mailing list
>> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>>
>>
>>
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
8:19 a.m.
+1
Whilst the keycloak mailing list messages are well indexed on Google,SO is
the first port of call for many trying to resolve an issue.
I think there is value in the idea.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Rafael T. C. Soares <rsoares(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
+1
Keycloak will reach a greater audience on SO.
___
Rafael T. C. Soares
On 02/24/2017 09:39 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
> Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To
me
> it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
> searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite
important
> if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous
answered
> question.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
>> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO
moving to
>> only SO.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
>>> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>>>
>>> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
>>> this point though.
>>>
>>> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>>>
>>> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start
by
>>> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>>>
>>> My 0.02.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen
<sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
>>> Stack Overflow instead.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> keycloak-user mailing list
>>> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>>>
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
9:03 a.m.
-1
I actually never use SO for keycloak related questions. SO is just not as convenient for
me compared to the mailing list.
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behalf of Kevin Marsden [kevinmarsden88(a)gmail.com]
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To: rsoares(a)redhat.com
Cc: keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Stack Overflow
+1
Whilst the keycloak mailing list messages are well indexed on Google,SO is
the first port of call for many trying to resolve an issue.
I think there is value in the idea.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Rafael T. C. Soares <rsoares(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
+1
Keycloak will reach a greater audience on SO.
___
Rafael T. C. Soares
On 02/24/2017 09:39 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
> Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To
me
> it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
> searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite
important
> if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous
answered
> question.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
>> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO
moving to
>> only SO.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
>>> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>>>
>>> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
>>> this point though.
>>>
>>> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>>>
>>> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start
by
>>> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>>>
>>> My 0.02.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen
<sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
>>> Stack Overflow instead.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> keycloak-user mailing list
>>> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>>>
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
8:11 a.m.
What I think is great about SO, is the fact that people can upvote or
downvote questions/answers. Plus, you can count with help of others to
review your questions and answers. Which of course makes the discussion
more valuable, IMO.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've
never used
Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To me
it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite important
if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous answered
question.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving
to
> only SO.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
>> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>>
>> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
>> this point though.
>>
>> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>>
>> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
>> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>>
>> My 0.02.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
>> Stack Overflow instead.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> _______________________________________________
>> keycloak-user mailing list
>> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>>
>>
>>
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
8:49 a.m.
The difference is that its every question. In addition to SO, would we
also look at SF for the infrastructure/deployment side? What about having
questions on security.stackexchange since this is a very security oriented
project?
To be honest, my dislike for it is not the "let's use stackoverflow" its
the "let's drop the mailing lists" part.
Anyways, I just posted a question on SO. I'll look to see if it gets
answered ;-)
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:39 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've
never used
Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To me
it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite important
if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous answered
question.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving to
only SO.
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at this
point though.
On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
My 0.02.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
9:05 a.m.
Seems to me that many projects have done similar decisions recently so I
doubt it's totally a bad decision :-)
That being said, however, I like the fact that with the mailing list I can
keep an eye on Keycloak, see what kind of problems users are encountering
or use cases they are trying to solve, and sort of collect information for
future reference.
Maybe you can do that (or similar) with SO as well. Other than reading
Google results I haven't been that active on SO.
Best regards,
Thomas
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:49 PM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
The difference is that its every question. In addition to SO, would
we
also look at SF for the infrastructure/deployment side? What about having
questions on security.stackexchange since this is a very security oriented
project?
To be honest, my dislike for it is not the "let's use stackoverflow" its
the "let's drop the mailing lists" part.
Anyways, I just posted a question on SO. I'll look to see if it gets
answered ;-)
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:39 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
> Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To
me
> it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
> searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite
important
> if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous
answered
> question.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving
to
> only SO.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>
> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
this
> point though.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>
> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>
> My 0.02.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
9:29 a.m.
I like the idea in theory. In practice, SO has morphed over the years from
a welcoming technical community into a wretched hive of overweening mod
tyranny. I dread having to ask a question there these days, because
everyone, it seems, sees that as an opportunity to get nasty.
It is far easier to search for answers to questions on SO than it is here,
but this list is far more welcoming to newcomers. My regret, I guess, is
that both can't be equally active.
Roger
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Raehalme <
thomas.raehalme(a)aitiofinland.com> wrote:
Seems to me that many projects have done similar decisions recently
so I
doubt it's totally a bad decision :-)
That being said, however, I like the fact that with the mailing list I can
keep an eye on Keycloak, see what kind of problems users are encountering
or use cases they are trying to solve, and sort of collect information for
future reference.
Maybe you can do that (or similar) with SO as well. Other than reading
Google results I haven't been that active on SO.
Best regards,
Thomas
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:49 PM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> The difference is that its every question. In addition to SO, would we
> also look at SF for the infrastructure/deployment side? What about having
> questions on security.stackexchange since this is a very security
oriented
> project?
>
> To be honest, my dislike for it is not the "let's use stackoverflow"
its
> the "let's drop the mailing lists" part.
>
> Anyways, I just posted a question on SO. I'll look to see if it gets
> answered ;-)
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:39 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
> > Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches.
To
> me
> > it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
> > searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite
> important
> > if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous
> answered
> > question.
> >
> > On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
> > regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO
moving
> to
> > only SO.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
> > responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
> >
> > I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
> this
> > point though.
> >
> > On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
> >
> > It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start
by
> > adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
> >
> > My 0.02.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> > Stack Overflow instead.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > _______________________________________________
> > keycloak-user mailing list
> > keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
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6:23 a.m.
The core contributors on Keycloak simply can't afford to monitor two
separate places. So it's going to be one or the other.
On 24 February 2017 at 14:49, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The difference is that its every question. In addition to SO, would
we
also look at SF for the infrastructure/deployment side? What about having
questions on security.stackexchange since this is a very security oriented
project?
To be honest, my dislike for it is not the "let's use stackoverflow" its
the "let's drop the mailing lists" part.
Anyways, I just posted a question on SO. I'll look to see if it gets
answered ;-)
John
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:39 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> Isn't the mailing list also a noisy mess of questions? I've never used
> Stack Overflow much myself except when it pops up in Google searches. To me
> it feels like a mailing list, but with the additional extra of being
> searchable, votes, you can easily link to answers on it and quite important
> if there's a duplicate question you can just point to the previous answered
> question.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:24, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Oh? Then my opinion, SO is a noisy mess of questions. I used to use it
> regularly, not so much lately. I think you would lose value IMHO moving to
> only SO.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:21 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think it's reasonable easy to move the volume. We'll just stop
> responding to the user mailing list and direct folks to SO.
>
> I primarily looking for feedback on mailing list vs Stack Overflow at
> this point though.
>
> On 24 February 2017 at 13:15, John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Just took a quick look at the SO traffic for keycloak.
>
> It seems like the ML is higher volume than SO. You may want to start by
> adding links to SO tags from keycloak.org and see if it picks up.
>
> My 0.02.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:05 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
>
>
>
7:18 a.m.
+1
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:04 AM Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and
moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
10:12 a.m.
Who is this "We" you talk of? Don't you mean "You"? If I have a
veto,
I veto this move. I hate forums for multiple reasons. I will boycott
Stack Overflow and you will not see me answering any user questions there.
Not only that, what happens when/if Stack Overflow starts showing
targeted advertisements based on the thread? This used to be a huge
problem with SourceForge. Advertisements for Websphere started popping
up on the JBoss download screens as well as the JBoss user and dev email
lists.
On 2/24/17 7:04 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and
moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
12:06 p.m.
I prefer a good knowledge-base system over mailing list for being
easier for searching for already answered questions, and having means
to track user interest e.g. by up/downvoting questions and the
answers. SO is one example of KB system which does its job well and
has established position in the community. The risk is not owning the
data - and a possibility of advertising a concurrent product is a
relevant point. Are there any other drawbacks?
--Hynek
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Bill Burke <bburke(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Who is this "We" you talk of? Don't you mean
"You"? If I have a veto,
I veto this move. I hate forums for multiple reasons. I will boycott
Stack Overflow and you will not see me answering any user questions there.
Not only that, what happens when/if Stack Overflow starts showing
targeted advertisements based on the thread? This used to be a huge
problem with SourceForge. Advertisements for Websphere started popping
up on the JBoss download screens as well as the JBoss user and dev email
lists.
On 2/24/17 7:04 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
--
--Hynek
1:57 p.m.
On 2/24/17 12:06 PM, Hynek Mlnarik wrote:
I prefer a good knowledge-base system over mailing list for being
easier for searching for already answered questions,
Our search page on
keycloak.org does a good enough targeted search.
and having means
to track user interest e.g. by up/downvoting questions and the
answers. SO is one example of KB system which does its job well and
has established position in the community. The risk is not owning the
data - and a possibility of advertising a concurrent product is a
relevant point. Are there any other drawbacks?
Often slow render times, can't
browse/respond offline, don't want to
have to work through a browser for everything, prefer unified view of
all my notifications in one place (my email client). I prefer less UIs
I have to work with on a daily basis, not more. I will forget to go to
SO if I don't turn on notifications. It will annoy the hell out of me
to switch contexts between email and SO if I do turn on notifications.
Prefer a simple text interface. I don't want to see advertisements. I
don't want to get notified about jobs. I don't want recruiters calling
me if they data mine me on SO. Is that enough?
I'm serious. I will never ever answer any questions on SO. I stopped
answering questions when JBoss moved from a user mail list to forums, I
will do the same if it happens for Keycloak.
Bill
2:07 p.m.
Has anyone considered a Gitter channel. I've found great community support with other
frameworks.
Pleas excuse any tighPose, this was Sent from my iPhone 👍
On Feb 24, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Bill Burke <bburke(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> On 2/24/17 12:06 PM, Hynek Mlnarik wrote:
> I prefer a good knowledge-base system over mailing list for being
> easier for searching for already answered questions,
Our search page on keycloak.org does a good enough targeted search.
> and having means
> to track user interest e.g. by up/downvoting questions and the
> answers. SO is one example of KB system which does its job well and
> has established position in the community. The risk is not owning the
> data - and a possibility of advertising a concurrent product is a
> relevant point. Are there any other drawbacks?
Often slow render times, can't browse/respond offline, don't want to
have to work through a browser for everything, prefer unified view of
all my notifications in one place (my email client). I prefer less UIs
I have to work with on a daily basis, not more. I will forget to go to
SO if I don't turn on notifications. It will annoy the hell out of me
to switch contexts between email and SO if I do turn on notifications.
Prefer a simple text interface. I don't want to see advertisements. I
don't want to get notified about jobs. I don't want recruiters calling
me if they data mine me on SO. Is that enough?
I'm serious. I will never ever answer any questions on SO. I stopped
answering questions when JBoss moved from a user mail list to forums, I
will do the same if it happens for Keycloak.
Bill
_______________________________________________
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5:29 p.m.
+1 for stackoverflow IMHO. Unarguably there are some downsides, but commodity pays.
---- Dana Danet igorleak idatzi du ----
>Has anyone considered a Gitter channel. I've found great community support with
other frameworks.
>
>Pleas excuse any tighPose, this was Sent from my iPhone 👍
>
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Bill Burke <bburke(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/24/17 12:06 PM, Hynek Mlnarik wrote:
>>> I prefer a good knowledge-base system over mailing list for being
>>> easier for searching for already answered questions,
>> Our search page on keycloak.org does a good enough targeted search.
>>
>>> and having means
>>> to track user interest e.g. by up/downvoting questions and the
>>> answers. SO is one example of KB system which does its job well and
>>> has established position in the community. The risk is not owning the
>>> data - and a possibility of advertising a concurrent product is a
>>> relevant point. Are there any other drawbacks?
>> Often slow render times, can't browse/respond offline, don't want to
>> have to work through a browser for everything, prefer unified view of
>> all my notifications in one place (my email client). I prefer less UIs
>> I have to work with on a daily basis, not more. I will forget to go to
>> SO if I don't turn on notifications. It will annoy the hell out of me
>> to switch contexts between email and SO if I do turn on notifications.
>> Prefer a simple text interface. I don't want to see advertisements. I
>> don't want to get notified about jobs. I don't want recruiters calling
>> me if they data mine me on SO. Is that enough?
>>
>> I'm serious. I will never ever answer any questions on SO. I stopped
>> answering questions when JBoss moved from a user mail list to forums, I
>> will do the same if it happens for Keycloak.
>>
>> Bill
>> _______________________________________________
>> keycloak-user mailing list
>> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
>_______________________________________________
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9:43 a.m.
One really annoying point that I just encountered is the "reputation"
points system. Answering a question doesn't require reputation but if you
want to comment on a answer you must at least have 50 points of reputation,
this is pretty frustrating.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and
moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
1:03 a.m.
Is Discourse an option?
https://www.discourse.org/
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:43 AM, Sebastien Blanc <sblanc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
One really annoying point that I just encountered is the
"reputation"
points system. Answering a question doesn't require reputation but if you
want to comment on a answer you must at least have 50 points of reputation,
this is pretty frustrating.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> Stack Overflow instead.
>
> Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
_______________________________________________
keycloak-user mailing list
keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
4:02 a.m.
I know you guys already use JIRA... Is Confluence an option? They have a
built-in Q&A module that can be used for community support.
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:04 PM Shane Boulden <shane.boulden(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Is Discourse an option?
https://www.discourse.org/
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:43 AM, Sebastien Blanc <sblanc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> One really annoying point that I just encountered is the "reputation"
> points system. Answering a question doesn't require reputation but if you
> want to comment on a answer you must at least have 50 points of
reputation,
> this is pretty frustrating.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and moving to
> > Stack Overflow instead.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > _______________________________________________
> > keycloak-user mailing list
> > keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
> >
> _______________________________________________
> keycloak-user mailing list
> keycloak-user(a)lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-user
>
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On 24/02/17 12:04, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
We're considering dropping the Keycloak user mailing list and
moving to
Stack Overflow instead.
Thoughts?
I rarely find anything on Stack Overflow that is of any use, i've
normally made it at least as far, if not further than most of the
threads I can find on there.
Personally i find it annoying and hate it. I much prefer mailing
lists, as it's easy to follow what issues people are encountering.
Regards
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