Re: [wildfly-dev] WildFly Community Space Replacement

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:06 PM Tomaž Cerar <tomaz.cerar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hey Jaikiran, > > I agree in whole what you said. > Stackoverflow is not replacement for forums as they are now. > There is set of discussions / questions that fit perfectly to the SO > paradigm but definitely not all of them. > It does seem we need to create a Google group. Seems to be the best place as you can post directly or via email.

> > So maybe having both, SO questions and google group mailing list? That > could work. > As for wiki pages, why now utilize github wiki pages? > That is the plan for the wiki's if we need them. > > Whatever end decision is, keep in mind that it doesn't really matter what > stack / software / platform that is chosen, > it is important that it is active. > As having almost no participation from dev team and veteran community > users will surely kill it no mater where it is. > > -- > tomaz > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 5:16 AM Jaikiran Pai <jai.forums2013(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hello James, >> On 01/02/20 1:56 am, James Perkins wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> We are in a position where we need to change the community space for >> WildFly, currently located at https://developer.jboss.org/en/wildfly/. >> On 2020-03-1 this community space will become read-only. >> >> We've got 3 areas we need to move. >> >> 1. Forums/Q&A >> 2. Wiki/FAQ >> 3. Articles >> >> >> 1. Forums/Q&A >> My preference here is we would use Stack Overflow, specifically the wildfly >> tag <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/wildfly>;. It seems the >> forums is really more Q&A than anything. >> >> If we want to keep the forum and Q&A separate we could use Stack >> Overflow for the Q&A and Google Groups for the forum. Though I don't really >> see much difference between the forum and Q&A. >> >> The JBoss AS (and now) WildFly forums have over the years seen a steady >> decline in the number of posts and the quality of posts. Unfortunately, >> even release announcements which used to happen in the forums previously >> are no longer made there. Participation in terms of answers or helping out >> with issues has reduced too (as compared to like maybe a decade ago). The >> new forum software (Jive), IMO has contributed a lot towards this - its >> editor was and still is a major hassle, plus the rules around posting (from >> what I remember new users weren't allowed to post more than a few posts >> within a few minutes of each other and had to wait hours to post next). >> Plus, repeated complaints from regular users about this, never ended up >> seeing any results. Regular contributors who used to answer or help out on >> issues are no longer around. >> >> Having said that, from what I see, WildFly forum as compared to other >> forums still sees good amount of traffic in terms of questions. I think >> JBoss AS and WildFly forums are probably the most active ones right (they >> used to compete with RichFaces and to some extent HornetQ forum in terms of >> traffic, but ever since they were sunset, the application server forums are >> the more frequented ones). >> >> I don't have any concerns on moving away from the current location of >> these forums. However, I personally don't like them being moved to >> StackOverflow. I have tried to be a user at StackOverflow a few times, >> during the past decade. But every time, I have disliked it. If you look at >> the JBoss AS/WildFly forums, you will notice that a lot of these >> discussions/questions span multiple posts where the original poster and the >> volunteer helpers go back and forth asking details and trying to narrow >> down what the issue is - more like a debug session spread across multiple >> posts. This kind of interactive discussion hasn't ever been encouraged at >> StackOverflow and neither does the software nor the people involved seem to >> encourage it there. That has always made me stay away from StackOverflow. >> >> Google groups on the other hand I think are a better place. I don't use >> its web interface, but given that it integrates right into your email >> client, I have found it gives the same level of interactive nature that you >> typically want in discussions. Quarkus project has been using google groups >> for its user + dev discussions and so far I have really liked it. So I >> think maybe hosting the forums as a google group mailing list might be a >> good idea. In fact, I have a feeling that it might bring in more >> participation, both from the users as well as volunteers contributors (but >> that's just a guess). >> >> By the way, I don't fully understand the difference between Q&A and >> forums. To me they sound the same and unless I'm missing something. Asking >> users to post in 2 different places (one for Q&A and one for forums) might >> not be a good idea. >> >> >> >> 2. Wiki/FAQ >> For this we could use GitHub Wiki here. For details see >> https://help.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/about-wikis >> . >> >> I don't think anyone uses Wiki/FAQ anymore these days (I miss the days >> where I used to wait for wikis from Scott Stark. The classloading one is >> still one of my favourite ones). Neither have I seen too many new wikis/FAQ >> being created nor have I seen them being referred to in the forums (unlike >> the good old Adrian days ;)). So I don't have much of an opinion on whether >> or not to have a new place for them. >> >> >> 3. Articles >> I don't know how often articles get created, but it doesn't look like >> often. My suggestion would be that we just use wildfly.org for this. >> These seem to be akin to blog posts. >> >> Articles these days have mainly been from the WildFly dev team >> before/after a release about new features (which is a good thing). Again I >> haven't liked the software that hosts these articles (again the editor and >> other hassles around it), but at least there have been some new articles >> every now and then. I think wilfly.org for articles sounds fine. Maybe >> it should optionally have the ability to aggregate any good community >> users' articles every now and then. >> >> Having said all this, I think it's best to post this announcement and >> ask for suggestions in the WildFly forums itself, since those are the users >> we should be looking inputs from. >> >> -Jaikiran >> _______________________________________________ >> wildfly-dev mailing list >> wildfly-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/wildfly-dev > > -- James R. 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