On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:17 PM Jaikiran Pai <jai.forums2013(a)gmail.com>
On 01/02/20 1:56 am, James Perkins wrote:
We are in a position where we need to change the community space for
WildFly, currently located at https://developer.jboss.org/en/wildfly/
2020-03-1 this community space will become read-only.
We've got 3 areas we need to move.
My preference here is we would use Stack Overflow, specifically the wildfly
;. It seems the
forums is really more Q&A than anything.
If we want to keep the forum and Q&A separate we could use Stack Overflow
for the Q&A and Google Groups for the forum. Though I don't really see much
difference between the forum and Q&A.
The JBoss AS (and now) WildFly forums have over the years seen a steady
decline in the number of posts and the quality of posts. Unfortunately,
even release announcements which used to happen in the forums previously
are no longer made there.
Since I started doing these a year ago I never even thought about this.
That's something I can correct; thanks for pointing it out!
Participation in terms of answers or helping out with issues has
too (as compared to like maybe a decade ago). The new forum software
(Jive), IMO has contributed a lot towards this - its editor was and still
is a major hassle, plus the rules around posting (from what I remember new
users weren't allowed to post more than a few posts within a few minutes of
each other and had to wait hours to post next). Plus, repeated complaints
from regular users about this, never ended up seeing any results. Regular
contributors who used to answer or help out on issues are no longer around.
Having said that, from what I see, WildFly forum as compared to other
forums still sees good amount of traffic in terms of questions. I think
JBoss AS and WildFly forums are probably the most active ones right (they
used to compete with RichFaces and to some extent HornetQ forum in terms of
traffic, but ever since they were sunset, the application server forums are
the more frequented ones).
I don't have any concerns on moving away from the current location of
these forums. However, I personally don't like them being moved to
StackOverflow. I have tried to be a user at StackOverflow a few times,
during the past decade. But every time, I have disliked it. If you look at
the JBoss AS/WildFly forums, you will notice that a lot of these
discussions/questions span multiple posts where the original poster and the
volunteer helpers go back and forth asking details and trying to narrow
down what the issue is - more like a debug session spread across multiple
posts. This kind of interactive discussion hasn't ever been encouraged at
StackOverflow and neither does the software nor the people involved seem to
encourage it there. That has always made me stay away from StackOverflow.
Google groups on the other hand I think are a better place. I don't use its
web interface, but given that it integrates right into your email
have found it gives the same level of interactive nature that you typically
want in discussions. Quarkus project has been using google groups for its
user + dev discussions and so far I have really liked it. So I think maybe
hosting the forums as a google group mailing list might be a good idea. In
fact, I have a feeling that it might bring in more participation, both from
the users as well as volunteers contributors (but that's just a guess).
Thanks, Jaikiran. This is good input. And you are a quite active person on
the forums; your opinion counts a lot with me.
By the way, I don't fully understand the difference between
forums. To me they sound the same and unless I'm missing something. Asking
users to post in 2 different places (one for Q&A and one for forums) might
not be a good idea.
I'm not sure either but I think your point about SO matches my guess as to
what it's about. The SO style is Q&A while the 'debugging conversation'
type thing is more forums.
For this we could use GitHub Wiki here. For details see
I don't think anyone uses Wiki/FAQ anymore these days (I miss the days
where I used to wait for wikis from Scott Stark. The classloading one is
still one of my favourite ones). Neither have I seen too many new wikis/FAQ
being created nor have I seen them being referred to in the forums (unlike
the good old Adrian days ;)). So I don't have much of an opinion on whether
or not to have a new place for them.
I don't know how often articles get created, but it doesn't look like
often. My suggestion would be that we just use wildfly.org
These seem to be akin to blog posts.
Articles these days have mainly been from the WildFly dev team
before/after a release about new features (which is a good thing). Again I
haven't liked the software that hosts these articles (again the editor and
other hassles around it), but at least there have been some new articles
every now and then. I think wilfly.org
for articles sounds fine. Maybe it
should optionally have the ability to aggregate any good community users'
articles every now and then.
Having said all this, I think it's best to post this announcement and ask
for suggestions in the WildFly forums itself, since those are the users we
should be looking inputs from.
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