[wildfly-dev] problems with the Elytron permission-mapping config model

While this is addressed mainly to the Elytron team, it seems like we would appreciate opinions from other colleagues since we are basically stuck discussing possible ways to resolve https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFCORE-3596 The description in the jira is pretty brief assuming people know what that is about, since it's been raised before multiple times. Here is what it is about fundamentally. If a configuration model (of a subsystem or any other component) includes a list of configurable units (let's assume XML elements for simplicity) that don't have any identity (unique id/name/path/etc) this is a big problem for supporting patching and version updates preserving user configuration changes. Or simply customizing the default config model using a tool. By a big problem I mean it's simply not going to work reliably. As a simple exercise that demonstrates the issue, imagine you have two configs each of which includes a list of these configurable units that have no identity. Now try to identify the difference between the two lists. Or merge them with one overwriting the other. Basically components w/o an identity can not be manipulated. You can only add them but not modify or even remove (unless their index in the list is a constant value of course). I don't think I've seen any issue of this kind in our (WF/EAP) configs except for the Elytron's permission-mapping's. (If somebody knows such components please let me know). If I misunderstand the Elytron config model or approaching this from a wrong angle, please let me know. Question for the Elytron team: is the problem I am describing clear? Do you admit it as a problem? Thanks, Alexey