Re: [forge-dev] Forge and Camel Archetypes

That sounds good. Please post to forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org> when you want help getting this rolling! On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:10 AM, James Strachan <jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com>> wrote: Hey :) The scala code is ported to Java now; why don’t we get the little ‘project creator’ command in fabric8 working; then when its there, we could post it to the forge list to see about including/sharing/reusing the same stuff there too? On 21 May 2014, at 12:33, Grzegorz Grzybek <ggrzybek(a)redhat.com <mailto:ggrzybek@redhat.com>> wrote: > Hello - sorry I couldn't start the discussion... But I still > remember that it's quite important ;) > > regards > Grzegorz Grzybek >> I think that sounds like a good idea. If we can consume this as >> a library, it would make things very easy to implement. It would >> also probably give you guys a migration path so you don't >> immediately have to jump to Forge on drop 0. >> >> Forge has a number of ways of locating resources, we can come up >> with a nice pattern for this :) >> >> Shall we move this discussion to forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org> or #forge on irc.freenode.net >> <http://irc.freenode.net/> and get started? >> >> ~Lincoln >> >> >> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:13 AM, James Strachan >> <jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> Yeah, we might wanna polish the archetype generator code >> into its own jar/bundle thats got minimal dependencies & is >> easier to use stand alone (so it could be more easily >> consumed from inside Forge). >> >> For the ‘create project’ command/plugin I figured we’d >> discover the available archetypes on the classpath somehow; >> in Fuse IDE (the Fuse/Camel plugins now in JBDS) we just did >> a bit of code generation to put the archetype jars inside >> the plugin. Something a bit more extensible, eventually, >> might be nice for Forge; though for fabric8 just having a >> curated list of archetypes from the fabric8 project itself >> will be fine for us for a while ;) >> >> >> On 15 May 2014, at 08:03, Grzegorz Grzybek >> <ggrzybek(a)redhat.com <mailto:ggrzybek@redhat.com>> wrote: >>> Hello! >>>> Awesome, thanks Grzegorz! >>>> >>>> BTW a bit of background for you, sorry I should have said >>>> - there’s been discussions in the past of adding a nice >>>> ability to create new projects from archetypes nicely into >>>> JBoss Forge: >>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-273 >>>> >>>> http://forge.jboss.org/ >>>> >>>> the mvn command line to generate archetypes isn’t awesome >>>> ;) and we could curate a nice default set with >>>> auto-completion of all the known jboss archetypes from our >>>> projects (and maybe have a nice little way to filter them >>>> by tag/project name/tech etc) with tab completion etc >>> Thanks for links - so another item on my TODO list ;) >>> I'll think about how to make it easier both for Forge and >>> commands inside Fabric8. >>> >>> regards >>> Grzegorz >>>> >>>> On 15 May 2014, at 07:55, Grzegorz Grzybek >>>> <ggrzybek(a)redhat.com <mailto:ggrzybek@redhat.com>> wrote: >>>>> Hello! >>>>> >>>>> I successfully ported insight-maven stuff from Scala >>>>> (it's Maven's Aether concept to deal with repositories). >>>>> But now I'm 30% in camel-tooling-util. Scala is not >>>>> really needed here and I see it has much more cons than pros! >>>>> I know that for Scala ninjas this language is the >>>>> ultimate expression tool, but reading it after few years >>>>> is not such a Zen experience after all. >>>>> >>>>> As someone said - Java8 is the new Java, not Scala. Of >>>>> course I don't want to rewrite all this code into >>>>> lambda-spaghetti, but good old Java6 syntax is enough :) >>>>> >>>>> And after porting camel-tooling-util back to Java, I'll >>>>> look at https://github.com/fabric8io/fabric8/issues/1091 >>>>> which is about making creating projects from archetypes >>>>> much easier. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Grzegorz >>>>>> Cool; wanna CC Grzegorz and myself?; am hoping at some >>>>>> point Grzegorz gets the chance to port the existing >>>>>> Archetype creation code from scala to java so its a >>>>>> little leaner & meaner and easier to reuse in Forge. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14 May 2014, at 20:31, Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>> <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Okay cool. We'll continue to go down the archetype >>>>>>> route and see if we can get that working for you guys. >>>>>>> It would help if we had someone on your team who could >>>>>>> take point on this so we can assist. Is that possible? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM, James Strachan >>>>>>> <jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah yeah - just chatted to Dave; this is some gem >>>>>>> based stuff for generating projects from templates; >>>>>>> which is cool too. We went the maven archetype >>>>>>> direction in Fuse IDE (now the Fuse / Camel tooling >>>>>>> in JBDS) and now have lots of archetypes (both on >>>>>>> upstream projects like camel & cxf and in JBoss >>>>>>> Fuse); so I’m personally more keen to support >>>>>>> archetypes ASAP; but the more tooling and options >>>>>>> the better! :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 May 2014, at 17:58, Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>>> <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-273 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also just got contacted by some people from GSS >>>>>>>> who are working on fusegen and want to merge that >>>>>>>> into Forge. Do you know anything about that? >>>>>>>> Wai Chun Hoi, and Dave Stanley. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~Lincoln >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM, James Strachan >>>>>>>> <jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds cool; am around until about 2-3pm I >>>>>>>> think so late morning sounds cool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FWIW we added an archetype generator a while >>>>>>>> back into eclipse so it was easy for folks to >>>>>>>> start projects & we pre-baked all our >>>>>>>> camel/fuse archetypes - as using the maven >>>>>>>> archetype:generate command line is so utterly >>>>>>>> awful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here’s the code to create an archetype from >>>>>>>> the mvn coordinates of the archetype distro: >>>>>>>> https://github.com/fabric8io/fabric8/blob/master/tooling/camel-tooling-ut... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e.g. here’s a test case that creates a bunch >>>>>>>> of archetypes - no maven is required etc: >>>>>>>> https://github.com/fabric8io/fabric8/blob/master/tooling/camel-tooling-ut... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was hoping we could cobble something like >>>>>>>> this into a standard command; then have nice >>>>>>>> tab completion on the list of archetypes we >>>>>>>> ship by default in Forge which groks all the >>>>>>>> jboss / fuse / apache archetypes we want to >>>>>>>> prime it with; and make it easy for folks to >>>>>>>> add/load/configure others. e.g. JBoss Fuse >>>>>>>> ships with a bunch of archetypes (but they are >>>>>>>> not sync’d to maven central); so it’d be nice >>>>>>>> if all jboss products that have archetypes >>>>>>>> were baked into Forge (e.g. EAP / Fuse / Fuse >>>>>>>> Service Works / BRMS etc). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope that helps - would love to port the code >>>>>>>> to plain java ;) but I guess whats another >>>>>>>> massive jar dependency on spring-library >>>>>>>> between friends ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway - hope to see you around this morning. >>>>>>>> Go Errai! :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 02:52, Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>>>> <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Let's talk about this tomorrow (today.) I'll >>>>>>>>> be over at the conference in the late >>>>>>>>> morning. And I'll be at the hack-fest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org <http://ocpsoft.org/> >>>>>>>>> "Simpler is better." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>>> Red Hat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> >>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com >>>>>>>> <http://fusesource.com/> >>>>>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews >>>>>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Open Source Integration >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org <http://ocpsoft.org/> >>>>>>>> "Simpler is better." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>> Red Hat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Twitter: @jstrachan >>>>>>> Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> >>>>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hawtio: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/hawt.io/ >>>>>>> <http://hawt.io/> >>>>>>> fabric8: http:/ >>>>>>> <http://fusesource.com/>/fabric8.io/ >>>>>>> <http://fabric8.io/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Open Source Integration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III >>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org <http://ocpsoft.org/> >>>>>>> "Simpler is better." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> ------- >>>>>> Red Hat >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: @jstrachan >>>>>> Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> >>>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> hawtio: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/hawt.io/ >>>>>> <http://hawt.io/> >>>>>> fabric8: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/fabric8.io/ >>>>>> <http://fabric8.io/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Open Source Integration >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James >>>> ------- >>>> Red Hat >>>> >>>> Twitter: @jstrachan >>>> Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> >>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> hawtio: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/hawt.io/ >>>> <http://hawt.io/> >>>> fabric8: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/fabric8.io/ >>>> <http://fabric8.io/> >>>> >>>> Open Source Integration >>>> >>> >> >> >> James >> ------- >> Red Hat >> >> Twitter: @jstrachan >> Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> >> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >> >> hawtio: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/hawt.io/ >> <http://hawt.io/> >> fabric8: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/fabric8.io/ >> <http://fabric8.io/> >> >> Open Source Integration >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lincoln Baxter, III >> http://ocpsoft.org <http://ocpsoft.org/> >> "Simpler is better." > James ------- Red Hat Twitter: @jstrachan Email: jstracha(a)redhat.com <mailto:jstracha@redhat.com> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ hawtio: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/hawt.io/ <http://hawt.io/> fabric8: http:/ <http://fusesource.com/>/fabric8.io/ <http://fabric8.io/> Open Source Integration -- Lincoln Baxter, III http://ocpsoft.org "Simpler is better."