From: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:54:21 AM Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin Hey Ted, Have you reached out to any of the folks working on Overlord? I'm guessing there may be some synergy with the stuff they are working on. Here's the link: http://www.jboss.org/overlord Best, Rob ----- Original Message ----- > SAP has developed an open-source plugin that allows searching a > registry, importing the WSDL for a specific service and viewing > other UDDI information about a published service. Max mentioned I > should post a message here to see where such a plugin might fit > into > JBT. It is not quite ready for prime time due to an authentication > issue when installed with EGit (really an EGit bug... see > https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=377347). > > Read more about the plugin and see a demo here: > https://community.jboss.org/blogs/tedjones/2013/01/18/using-the-sap-servi... > > > Thanks, > Ted > _______________________________________________ > jbosstools-dev mailing list > jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >

From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt;, jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:24:14 AM Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin Maybe i'm just not grokking this thing but as far as I understand this is just basic WSDL searching (i.e. EAP level) stuff, right ? That said looking at the source this looks like mostly an eclipse project ? (at least the core search stuff). Did SAP ever get it into eclipse core plans for inclusion ? That would affect how we can bundle/version/release it afaics ? /max On 21 Jan 2013, at 16:02, Ted Jones <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Rob. That does sound like a potential > landing spot. I will ping Eric. > > Thanks again, > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:54:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >> >> Hey Ted, >> >> Have you reached out to any of the folks working on Overlord? I'm >> guessing there may be some synergy with the stuff they are working >> on. Here's the link: http://www.jboss.org/overlord >> >> Best, >> Rob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> SAP has developed an open-source plugin that allows searching a >>> registry, importing the WSDL for a specific service and viewing >>> other UDDI information about a published service. Max mentioned I >>> should post a message here to see where such a plugin might fit >>> into >>> JBT. It is not quite ready for prime time due to an >>> authentication >>> issue when installed with EGit (really an EGit bug... see >>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=377347). >>> >>> Read more about the plugin and see a demo here: >>> https://community.jboss.org/blogs/tedjones/2013/01/18/using-the-sap-servi... >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ted >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > jbosstools-dev mailing list > jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev

From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt;, jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:24:14 AM Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin Maybe i'm just not grokking this thing but as far as I understand this is just basic WSDL searching (i.e. EAP level) stuff, right ? That said looking at the source this looks like mostly an eclipse project ? (at least the core search stuff). Did SAP ever get it into eclipse core plans for inclusion ? That would affect how we can bundle/version/release it afaics ? /max On 21 Jan 2013, at 16:02, Ted Jones <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Rob. That does sound like a potential > landing spot. I will ping Eric. > > Thanks again, > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:54:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >> >> Hey Ted, >> >> Have you reached out to any of the folks working on Overlord? I'm >> guessing there may be some synergy with the stuff they are working >> on. Here's the link: http://www.jboss.org/overlord >> >> Best, >> Rob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> SAP has developed an open-source plugin that allows searching a >>> registry, importing the WSDL for a specific service and viewing >>> other UDDI information about a published service. Max mentioned I >>> should post a message here to see where such a plugin might fit >>> into >>> JBT. It is not quite ready for prime time due to an >>> authentication >>> issue when installed with EGit (really an EGit bug... see >>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=377347). >>> >>> Read more about the plugin and see a demo here: >>> https://community.jboss.org/blogs/tedjones/2013/01/18/using-the-sap-servi... >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ted >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > jbosstools-dev mailing list > jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev

From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Brian Fitzpatrick" <bfitzpat(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt;, jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Bill Collins" <bicollin(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin Yeah - I recall some of the various on/off stories on this. As far as I recall there are two parts. 1) The core search functionality contributed by SAP which can be used to provided searching for technically anything. 2) The SAP/UDDi functionality using #1 Reading the bugzilla #1 is dead - is that correct ? Meaning if we want to do #2 we would have to fork it and maintain it ? About #2 is this SAP specific or is it using standard API that could work against other service based servers ? Considering the problems of #1 how do actually bundle this without a major headache ? /max On 22 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Brian Fitzpatrick <bfitzpat(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Correct. I worked with Tom Cunningham to use some of the UDDI > functionality we already had to develop a basic UDDI search view, > but we didn't get it too far off the ground before SAP decided > they wanted to go this other direction. > > Ted and Bill Collins were working on the SAP stuff after I started > to work on Switchyard tooling, Bill may know where things are at > on that front... > > --Fitz > > _______________________________ > Brian Fitzpatrick (aka "Fitz") > Senior Software Engineer, SOA-P > JBoss by Red Hat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:22:37 AM > Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin > > Max, > > The intention was to have this included as part of Eclipse, but SAP > and Eclipse weren't able to agree on an implementation/design. > Here is the initial BZ > (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=331581#c9) which > was split off into multiple BZs (see the bottom of this BZ). Fitz > was involved in the beginning until he was pulled off onto another > project and felt the pain of the disagreements. SAP punted on > integrating with Eclipse and published the source code for us. > That's where we stand now. > > Since the search capability is based on UDDI v3, you are correct in > that this is just basic WSDL searching with the additional > authentication information for connecting to an SAP Services > Registry. Fitz was actually working on a separate UDDI search > capability before SAP gave us this. > > Thanks, > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt;, >> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:24:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >> >> Maybe i'm just not grokking this thing but as far as I understand >> this is >> just basic WSDL searching (i.e. EAP level) stuff, right ? >> >> That said looking at the source this looks like mostly an eclipse >> project ? (at least the core search stuff). >> Did SAP ever get it into eclipse core plans for inclusion ? That >> would affect how we can bundle/version/release it afaics ? >> >> /max >> >> On 21 Jan 2013, at 16:02, Ted Jones <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the suggestion Rob. That does sound like a potential >>> landing spot. I will ping Eric. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Ted >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:54:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >>>> >>>> Hey Ted, >>>> >>>> Have you reached out to any of the folks working on Overlord? >>>> I'm >>>> guessing there may be some synergy with the stuff they are >>>> working >>>> on. Here's the link: http://www.jboss.org/overlord >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> SAP has developed an open-source plugin that allows searching a >>>>> registry, importing the WSDL for a specific service and viewing >>>>> other UDDI information about a published service. Max mentioned >>>>> I >>>>> should post a message here to see where such a plugin might fit >>>>> into >>>>> JBT. It is not quite ready for prime time due to an >>>>> authentication >>>>> issue when installed with EGit (really an EGit bug... see >>>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=377347). >>>>> >>>>> Read more about the plugin and see a demo here: >>>>> https://community.jboss.org/blogs/tedjones/2013/01/18/using-the-sap-servi... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ted >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>>>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >> >> > _______________________________________________ > jbosstools-dev mailing list > jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev

> You have summed up things perfectly. We would need to fork and > maintain ourselves. Do we really want that ? It doesn't seem like the most simple code base to maintain.

> We would also need to resolve how to bundle the core search > functionality, which is currently in binary format only. If we > need to have that open sourced that to make this work, I can > investigate the feasibility of making that happen. We can't bundle non-opensource things so that would need to be looked at - but first I would like to understand what are we trying to do here before we add such a generic search framework just to be able to search WSDL services ?

> > Thanks, > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Brian Fitzpatrick" <bfitzpat(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt;, >> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Bill Collins" >> <bicollin(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:08:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >> >> Yeah - I recall some of the various on/off stories on this. >> >> As far as I recall there are two parts. >> >> 1) The core search functionality contributed by SAP which can be >> used >> to provided searching for technically anything. >> >> 2) The SAP/UDDi functionality using #1 >> >> Reading the bugzilla #1 is dead - is that correct ? Meaning if we >> want to do #2 we would have to fork it and maintain it ? >> >> About #2 is this SAP specific or is it using standard API that >> could >> work against other service based servers ? >> >> Considering the problems of #1 how do actually bundle this without >> a >> major headache ? >> >> /max >> >> On 22 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Brian Fitzpatrick <bfitzpat(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Correct. I worked with Tom Cunningham to use some of the UDDI >>> functionality we already had to develop a basic UDDI search view, >>> but we didn't get it too far off the ground before SAP decided >>> they wanted to go this other direction. >>> >>> Ted and Bill Collins were working on the SAP stuff after I >>> started >>> to work on Switchyard tooling, Bill may know where things are at >>> on that front... >>> >>> --Fitz >>> >>> _______________________________ >>> Brian Fitzpatrick (aka "Fitz") >>> Senior Software Engineer, SOA-P >>> JBoss by Red Hat >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:22:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >>> >>> Max, >>> >>> The intention was to have this included as part of Eclipse, but >>> SAP >>> and Eclipse weren't able to agree on an implementation/design. >>> Here is the initial BZ >>> (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=331581#c9) which >>> was split off into multiple BZs (see the bottom of this BZ). Fitz >>> was involved in the beginning until he was pulled off onto >>> another >>> project and felt the pain of the disagreements. SAP punted on >>> integrating with Eclipse and published the source code for us. >>> That's where we stand now. >>> >>> Since the search capability is based on UDDI v3, you are correct >>> in >>> that this is just basic WSDL searching with the additional >>> authentication information for connecting to an SAP Services >>> Registry. Fitz was actually working on a separate UDDI search >>> capability before SAP gave us this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ted >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> Cc: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt;, >>>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:24:14 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >>>> >>>> Maybe i'm just not grokking this thing but as far as I >>>> understand >>>> this is >>>> just basic WSDL searching (i.e. EAP level) stuff, right ? >>>> >>>> That said looking at the source this looks like mostly an >>>> eclipse >>>> project ? (at least the core search stuff). >>>> Did SAP ever get it into eclipse core plans for inclusion ? That >>>> would affect how we can bundle/version/release it afaics ? >>>> >>>> /max >>>> >>>> On 21 Jan 2013, at 16:02, Ted Jones <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion Rob. That does sound like a potential >>>>> landing spot. I will ping Eric. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again, >>>>> Ted >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Rob Cernich" <rcernich(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> To: "Ted Jones" <tejones(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> Cc: jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:54:21 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] SAP Services Registry Plugin >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Ted, >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you reached out to any of the folks working on Overlord? >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> guessing there may be some synergy with the stuff they are >>>>>> working >>>>>> on. Here's the link: http://www.jboss.org/overlord >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> SAP has developed an open-source plugin that allows searching >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> registry, importing the WSDL for a specific service and >>>>>>> viewing >>>>>>> other UDDI information about a published service. Max >>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> should post a message here to see where such a plugin might >>>>>>> fit >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> JBT. It is not quite ready for prime time due to an >>>>>>> authentication >>>>>>> issue when installed with EGit (really an EGit bug... see >>>>>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=377347). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read more about the plugin and see a demo here: >>>>>>> https://community.jboss.org/blogs/tedjones/2013/01/18/using-the-sap-servi... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ted >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>>>>>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>>>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbosstools-dev mailing list >>> jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev >> >>

> > The same framework is also used for searching SAP NetWeaver Gateway > (OData) servers which we could also use/write. The framework is > extensible to allow searching for virtually anything, so I think > we can reuse this for other things. Got some examples of what that would be ? What parts of JBoss Tools Core or the integration stack should/would use this ?

What I understood from the eclipse discussion SAP wanted this to replace the existing ever expanding search dialog - did they make it so the extension point already in eclipse hooks into this new search approach or would it just be our custom search features that would show up here ?

/max