usually need is a UI test harness, project utilities, sometimes a parser and the addon that I am testing

you feel if Arquillian was setting up from scratch Wildfly or (oh my!) WebLogic every time you run a Java EE test? Instead, it just relies on the fact that the target runtime is there

I strongly agree and support that we should improve this area. Here is the test documentation about the @AddonDependencies/AddonDependencyEntry stuff: http://forge.jboss.org/document/test-your-addon I need to test this, but I think we could improve this by making the Maven Settings object offline (to avoid remote dependency lookups) . We already have a JIRA about this annoying error while running tests: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-2125 I think for the first option, we could assume that the test dependencies are the addons already declared in the project's pom.xml (or we could have some method in the ForgeArchive to assume that) Best Regards, George Gastaldi On 12/22/2014 08:12 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote: Hi everybody, I resumed my Security addon development and reached my "favorite" point: writing and executing UI command tests. I have attached here the output of the test harness as well as the sample test that I wrote. Here are some observations: - It took one minute for Forge to run a simple UI test. And this is on Linux. From my experience, if I run the same test on Windows, it would take at least twice more - Even though Lincoln explained it to me at least twice, setting up @Deployment @AddonDependencies and AddonDependencyEntry's is still black magic to me. I usually copy those hoping that I didn't miss anything, but the result of this test proves that I missed something - For the most part the test was starting furnace, checking the missing dependencies, installing them one by one, but in the mean time it installed their transitive dependencies and for each of these operations, Forge was again shutting down and starting up furnace and weld. And then again calculating missing dependencies. Most of these operations take usually less than a second, but still there are so many of them that at the end it piles up to a whole minute - To be fair, some big chunks of this minute was taken by, what it seems to me, resolution of transitive dependencies: Dec 22, 2014 11:15:49 PM org.jboss.forge.furnace.impl.addons.AddonRunnable run INFO: >> Started container [org.jboss.forge.addon:ui-test-harness,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT] - 133ms Dec 22, 2014 11:15:58 PM org.jboss.forge.furnace.manager.impl.request.DeployRequestImpl deploy INFO: Deploying addon org.jboss.forge.addon:parser-xml,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT .... Dec 22, 2014 11:16:12 PM org.jboss.forge.furnace.impl.addons.AddonRunnable run INFO: >> Started container [org.jboss.forge.addon:javaee,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT] - 1802ms Dec 22, 2014 11:16:24 PM org.jboss.forge.furnace.manager.impl.request.DeployRequestImpl deploy INFO: Deploying addon org.jboss.forge.addon:maven,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT - The test failed with the following exception: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Test runner could not locate test class [org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.security.ui.SecuritySetupCommandTest] in any deployed Addon. at org.jboss.forge.arquillian.ForgeTestMethodExecutor.invoke(ForgeTestMethodExecutor.java:234) at org.jboss.arquillian.container.test.impl.execution.RemoteTestExecuter.execute(RemoteTestExecuter.java:109) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) at org.jboss.arquillian.core.impl.ObserverImpl.invoke(ObserverImpl.java:94) at org.jboss.arquillian.core.impl.EventContextImpl.invokeObservers(EventContextImpl.java:99) ... However, the real reason was hidden in the massive console output a bit above it: Dec 22, 2014 11:16:25 PM org.jboss.weld.bootstrap.MissingDependenciesRegistry handleResourceLoadingException INFO: WELD-000119: Not generating any bean definitions from org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.security.ui.SecuritySetupCommandTest because of underlying class loading error: Type org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.ProjectHelper from [Module "_DEFAULT_:2fba4fbf-9342-4566-9879-eebe1b753d2d_3ccd4af3-6ec9-4385-9aab-1693a53753fa" from AddonModuleLoader] not found. If this is unexpected, enable DEBUG logging to see the full error. Enough with the observations. What can we do about it? Well, I see the following areas of improvement: - Fight the black magic. It shouldn't be so hard to setup a test. What I usually need is a UI test harness, project utilities, sometimes a parser and the addon that I am testing - Fight the slow startup time. So, we are using Arquillian. Imagine how would you feel if Arquillian was setting up from scratch Wildfly or (oh my!) WebLogic every time you run a Java EE test? Instead, it just relies on the fact that the target runtime is there So, can't we just create a composite test addon or something like that? That we use as kind of arquillian container and we just update the needed addons there. Instead of setting up everything from scratch. And in the @Deployment method we simply list the addons (or even at smaller granularity: files) that are changed and we want to be redeployed on top. This doesn't look too far away form the Arquillian model that we are all used to. And I believe that will be much faster to start (especially in the so called 'remote' arquillian mode). What do you think? 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One possible solution for #2 is to provide a new "all-of-forge" dependency that is unzipped from the forge-distribution-offline artifact based on the version specified. This would need to be provided as an extension to the test-harness, however, because we can't assume that people are using Furnace to test Forge. (The Forge test harness could include this extension on top of the Furnace test harness.) Aren't all these F-names easy to keep track of? ;) On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Lincoln Baxter, III < lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hey Ivan, > > Great observations, definitely things that we want to improve: > > Fight the black magic. It shouldn't be so hard to setup a test. What I >> usually need is a UI test harness, project utilities, sometimes a parser >> and the addon that I am testing > > > Yes, this is an issue. We have a number of ideas for how to improve this, > such as introducing a new @DeployAddon() or @AddonDeployment() annotation, > which is really what our current @AddonDependency() annotation is doing - > deploying an addon. The @AddonDependency() annotation would then deploy AND > establish an addon dependency on the specified coordinate, eliminating the > need to specify .withAddonDependency() in the @Deployment method itself. > Essentially our current situation is one in which we must specify addon > deployment and dependency metadata separately, which leads to quite a bit > of duplicate information (boilerplate.) This should be easy to resolve. > Unfortunately we have a problem with backwards compatability if we change > the existing annotations, so we may need to deprecate them and introduce > entirely new ones in a new package. > > I would actually like to solve this problem by refactoring the "Forge > Test Harness" in Furnace and calling it the "Furnace Test Harness" which is > really what it is. > > Fight the slow startup time. So, we are using Arquillian. Imagine how >> would you feel if Arquillian was setting up from scratch Wildfly or (oh >> my!) WebLogic every time you run a Java EE test? Instead, it just relies on >> the fact that the target runtime is there > > > So one thing to note, is that the slowness here is not the fact that we > are setting up Furnace/Forge from scratch. Just like Wildfly, the runtime > environment is already there, but we still have to deploy our application > (the addons.) There is a great deal of inefficiency, as George says, in the > maven deployment of the addons, and this is (in my opinion) where our > greatest opportunity for improvement lies. > > Very open to ideas here. It's been a while since i attached a profiler, > but if nothing has changed, most of the time is spent in maven itself - > resolving dependencies. > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:49 PM, George Gastaldi <ggastald(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> I strongly agree and support that we should improve this area. >> >> Here is the test documentation about the >> @AddonDependencies/AddonDependencyEntry stuff: >> http://forge.jboss.org/document/test-your-addon >> >> I need to test this, but I think we could improve this by making the >> Maven Settings object offline (to avoid remote dependency lookups) . >> We already have a JIRA about this annoying error while running tests: >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-2125 >> >> I think for the first option, we could assume that the test dependencies >> are the addons already declared in the project's pom.xml (or we could have >> some method in the ForgeArchive to assume that) >> >> Best Regards, >> >> George Gastaldi >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 08:12 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote: >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> I resumed my Security addon development and reached my "favorite" >> point: writing and executing UI command tests. I have attached here the >> output of the test harness as well as the sample test that I wrote. >> >> Here are some observations: >> - It took one minute for Forge to run a simple UI test. And this is on >> Linux. From my experience, if I run the same test on Windows, it would take >> at least twice more >> >> - Even though Lincoln explained it to me at least twice, setting up >> @Deployment @AddonDependencies and AddonDependencyEntry's is still black >> magic to me. I usually copy those hoping that I didn't miss anything, but >> the result of this test proves that I missed something >> >> - For the most part the test was starting furnace, checking the >> missing dependencies, installing them one by one, but in the mean time it >> installed their transitive dependencies and for each of these operations, >> Forge was again shutting down and starting up furnace and weld. And then >> again calculating missing dependencies. Most of these operations take >> usually less than a second, but still there are so many of them that at the >> end it piles up to a whole minute >> >> - To be fair, some big chunks of this minute was taken by, what it >> seems to me, resolution of transitive dependencies: >> Dec 22, 2014 11:15:49 PM >> org.jboss.forge.furnace.impl.addons.AddonRunnable run >> INFO: >> Started container >> [org.jboss.forge.addon:ui-test-harness,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT] - 133ms >> Dec 22, 2014 11:15:58 PM >> org.jboss.forge.furnace.manager.impl.request.DeployRequestImpl deploy >> INFO: Deploying addon org.jboss.forge.addon:parser-xml,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT >> .... >> Dec 22, 2014 11:16:12 PM >> org.jboss.forge.furnace.impl.addons.AddonRunnable run >> INFO: >> Started container >> [org.jboss.forge.addon:javaee,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT] - 1802ms >> Dec 22, 2014 11:16:24 PM >> org.jboss.forge.furnace.manager.impl.request.DeployRequestImpl deploy >> INFO: Deploying addon org.jboss.forge.addon:maven,2.13.1-SNAPSHOT >> >> - The test failed with the following exception: >> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Test runner could not locate test >> class [org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.security.ui.SecuritySetupCommandTest] >> in any deployed Addon. >> at >> org.jboss.forge.arquillian.ForgeTestMethodExecutor.invoke(ForgeTestMethodExecutor.java:234) >> at >> org.jboss.arquillian.container.test.impl.execution.RemoteTestExecuter.execute(RemoteTestExecuter.java:109) >> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) >> at >> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57) >> at >> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) >> at >> org.jboss.arquillian.core.impl.ObserverImpl.invoke(ObserverImpl.java:94) >> at >> org.jboss.arquillian.core.impl.EventContextImpl.invokeObservers(EventContextImpl.java:99) >> ... >> >> However, the real reason was hidden in the massive console output >> a bit above it: >> >> Dec 22, 2014 11:16:25 PM >> org.jboss.weld.bootstrap.MissingDependenciesRegistry >> handleResourceLoadingException >> INFO: WELD-000119: Not generating any bean definitions from >> org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.security.ui.SecuritySetupCommandTest because >> of underlying class loading error: Type >> org.jboss.forge.addon.javaee.ProjectHelper from [Module >> "_DEFAULT_:2fba4fbf-9342-4566-9879-eebe1b753d2d_3ccd4af3-6ec9-4385-9aab-1693a53753fa" >> from AddonModuleLoader] not found. If this is unexpected, enable DEBUG >> logging to see the full error. >> >> Enough with the observations. What can we do about it? Well, I see the >> following areas of improvement: >> >> - Fight the black magic. It shouldn't be so hard to setup a test. >> What I usually need is a UI test harness, project utilities, sometimes a >> parser and the addon that I am testing >> - Fight the slow startup time. So, we are using Arquillian. Imagine >> how would you feel if Arquillian was setting up from scratch Wildfly or (oh >> my!) WebLogic every time you run a Java EE test? Instead, it just relies on >> the fact that the target runtime is there >> >> So, can't we just create a composite test addon or something like >> that? That we use as kind of arquillian container and we just update the >> needed addons there. Instead of setting up everything from scratch. And in >> the @Deployment method we simply list the addons (or even at smaller >> granularity: files) that are changed and we want to be redeployed on top. >> >> This doesn't look too far away form the Arquillian model that we are >> all used to. And I believe that will be much faster to start (especially in >> the so called 'remote' arquillian mode). >> >> What do you think? >> >> Cheers, >> Ivan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> forge-dev mailing listforge-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> forge-dev mailing list >> forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev >> > > > > -- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.org > "Simpler is better." > -- Lincoln Baxter, III http://ocpsoft.org "Simpler is better." _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev