This is kind of sad. I know there have been others that have mentioned similar thoughts. Perhaps changing it to something like "We strive to keep Forge running correctly on Windows, however, it is not our main development environment. Please send any feedback or issues to our development team via JIRA (link) should you encounter problems." I personally thought it was funny, but jokes don't seem to be appreciated by all :( On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hey everyone... we've recently gotten some critical feedback about our little "Windows? Really? Ok..." joke. https://community.jboss.org/message/749952#749952 What are your thoughts? Perhaps we could make this a little less targeted by turning it into more of a pluggable feature, where different messages show up randomly based on runtime conditions? Like sometimes it might say, "Just 32 bits?" or "Sun still makes Java?" or "Linux... nice... does your family know?" or "OSX? What is a lion, anyway?" Would like to hear ideas. But I certainly don't want to give up the character :) -- Lincoln Baxter, III http://ocpsoft.org "Simpler is better." _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

Hey everyone... we've recently gotten some critical feedback about our little "Windows? Really? Ok..." joke. https://community.jboss.org/message/749952#749952 What are your thoughts? Perhaps we could make this a little less targeted by turning it into more of a pluggable feature, where different messages show up randomly based on runtime conditions? Like sometimes it might say, "Just 32 bits?" or "Sun still makes Java?" or "Linux... nice... does your family know?" or "OSX? What is a lion, anyway?" Would like to hear ideas. But I certainly don't want to give up the character :) -- Lincoln Baxter, III http://ocpsoft.org "Simpler is better." _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

Hi everyone, I saw that thread and wanted to add it to tomorrow's forge meeting agenda I am fine discussing it here too. After working mostly under windows I also tend to find it offending too see "Windows? Really?" joke every time I start forge. Maybe I take it too personal but the fact that I'm using windows should not imply that I'm a worse person/user/developer. Maybe I am misinterpreting it but this is how it feels to me. Besides, windows is the most popular OS (I think it has about 90% of the OS market share) so it means that most of the users will see that. Even if not everybody will take that personal it still can make a lot of people unhappy by using forge. And we want happy users, don't we? I also see it every time I run "forge source-plugin" command. I swear to god it's one of the reasons I am considering buying a mac asap :) That said, after I deleted "Windows? Really?" joke from ~/.forge/config it suddenly started to FEEL better working with forge. Unreasonable emotions? Yes, absolutely. But that's how human beings work. I don't mind having geeky/nerdy jokes like "still 32-bit" or "sun still makes java" but only if there is an option/flag to turn them off. I guess jvm vendor or 32/64-bit OS versions are not one of those holywar topics, like windows vs mac, java vs c#, etc etc etc. Best regards, Jevgeni P.S. Wow, looks like I'm the only antagonist in here so far :S On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hey everyone... we've recently gotten some critical feedback about our > little "Windows? Really? Ok..." joke. > > https://community.jboss.org/message/749952#749952 > > What are your thoughts? Perhaps we could make this a little less targeted by > turning it into more of a pluggable feature, where different messages show > up randomly based on runtime conditions? > > Like sometimes it might say, "Just 32 bits?" or "Sun still makes Java?" or > "Linux... nice... does your family know?" or "OSX? What is a lion, anyway?" > > Would like to hear ideas. But I certainly don't want to give up the > character :) > > -- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.org > "Simpler is better." > > _______________________________________________ > forge-dev mailing list > forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev > _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

I enjoy the joke quite a lot, however, we've got to be aware that our software often ends up being used in environments which are far less inclined towards the jocular, and where humorous is basically considered unprofessional. A pluggable fortune-like functionality, turned off by default should be ideal. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lincoln Baxter, III" <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; > To: "forge-dev List" <forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:58:15 PM > Subject: [forge-dev] What to do about our little Windows joke...? > > > Hey everyone... we've recently gotten some critical feedback about > our little "Windows? Really? Ok..." joke. > > https://community.jboss.org/message/749952#749952 > > What are your thoughts? Perhaps we could make this a little less > targeted by turning it into more of a pluggable feature, where > different messages show up randomly based on runtime conditions? > > Like sometimes it might say, "Just 32 bits?" or "Sun still makes > Java?" or "Linux... nice... does your family know?" or "OSX? What is > a lion, anyway?" > > Would like to hear ideas. But I certainly don't want to give up the > character :) > > -- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.org > "Simpler is better." > > _______________________________________________ > forge-dev mailing list > forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev > _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Bakker" <paul.bakker.nl(a)gmail.com&gt; > To: "forge-dev List" <forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:42:15 PM > Subject: Re: [forge-dev] What to do about our little Windows joke...? > > What you guys like jokes? How unprofessional! > > Unfortunately there is a large group of developers that thinks that > way... I wish it were different, but it would probably be best to > remove this stuff. We won't "win" any users by adding jokes, but we > might piss some people off. They aren't amused.

From: "Dan Allen" <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; To: "forge-dev List" <forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:56:42 PM Subject: Re: [forge-dev] What to do about our little Windows joke...? On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Marius Bogoevici < mariusb(a)redhat.com > wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Bakker" < paul.bakker.nl(a)gmail.com > > To: "forge-dev List" < forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:42:15 PM > Subject: Re: [forge-dev] What to do about our little Windows > joke...? > > What you guys like jokes? How unprofessional! > > Unfortunately there is a large group of developers that thinks that > way... I wish it were different, but it would probably be best to > remove this stuff. We won't "win" any users by adding jokes, but we > might piss some people off. They aren't amused. Seriously, if people are offended because someone criticizes Windows, then my feeling is that they are just reading too much into it. It's not like the Windows shell is so amazing it doesn't warrant some criticism.

Btw, I would revise the comment to specifically call out the shell. "Windows Command Line? Really? ..." -Dan -- Dan Allen Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

What you guys like jokes? How unprofessional! Unfortunately there is a large group of developers that thinks that way... I wish it were different, but it would probably be best to remove this stuff. We won't "win" any users by adding jokes, but we might piss some people off. Paul On Jul 24, 2012, at 21:31 , Marius Bogoevici wrote: > I enjoy the joke quite a lot, however, we've got to be aware that > our software often ends up being used in environments which are far > less inclined towards the jocular, and where humorous is basically > considered unprofessional. > > A pluggable fortune-like functionality, turned off by default should > be ideal. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lincoln Baxter, III" <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; >> To: "forge-dev List" <forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:58:15 PM >> Subject: [forge-dev] What to do about our little Windows joke...? >> >> >> Hey everyone... we've recently gotten some critical feedback about >> our little "Windows? Really? Ok..." joke. >> >> https://community.jboss.org/message/749952#749952 >> >> What are your thoughts? Perhaps we could make this a little less >> targeted by turning it into more of a pluggable feature, where >> different messages show up randomly based on runtime conditions? >> >> Like sometimes it might say, "Just 32 bits?" or "Sun still makes >> Java?" or "Linux... nice... does your family know?" or "OSX? What is >> a lion, anyway?" >> >> Would like to hear ideas. But I certainly don't want to give up the >> character :) >> >> -- >> Lincoln Baxter, III >> http://ocpsoft.org >> "Simpler is better." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> forge-dev mailing list >> forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > forge-dev mailing list > forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

Hello all ! Let's just write the OS info that forge is running and that's it :) The jokes could be displayed as easter eggs on Forge later ( like, when you read the help of a plugin too many times, etc)