[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter updated JBIDE-10048: -------------------------------- Attachment: Available_Software.png -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Jim Tyrrell commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- I would agree, when looking at this list it is totally overwhelming, things overlap, etc. I would say possibly the right thing to do is target the projects with the right kinds of bundling. jEE Developement SOA Development Drools/Rules Development Portal Development Business Process Development Thoughts on the above.... -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ @Burr: Openshift Express is now in the Cloud category - it was split in JBIDE-10013: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/ When ya'll achieve quorum, please list for me which features you want in which categories, eg: {code} AbridgedTools Maven ... CloudTools OpenshiftExpress DeltaCloud Business Process Development ... ---- Note too that there are not 1 but 5 sites to look at: JBoss Tools - Core: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/ JBoss Tools - SOA Tooling: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/ JBDS - Core / Product: http://www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/builds/staging/devstudio-5.0_trunk.... http://www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/builds/staging/devstudio-5.0_trunk.... JBDS - SOA Tooling: http://www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/builds/staging/devstudio-5.0_trunk.... JBDS Extras: http://www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/builds/staging/devstudio-5.0_trunk.... -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter updated JBIDE-10048: -------------------------------- Attachment: Available_Software_m4a.png -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ What about openshift and central? Surely they're Incubating too? Please have a look at the JBoss Tools - SOA Tooling site next: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/ -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- Concerning SOA Tools Trunk - http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/ the only thing that I can say at this moment is that it should not have a "JBoss Application Development" category. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ OK, so where should the features now in "GeneralTools" / "JBoss Application Development" be moved? SOA Tools? Data Tools? Or should we just have the same two categories as the Core site, ie., "SOA Tooling" and "Incubating" (where Incubating could be empty) ? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- Core/incubating seperation is broken from day one since that is not true for many of these and doesn't relate to how users install/set it up. Abridged JBoss Tools is there for an easy installation, the one you say "single-click" but removing the further categorization changes how it looks when merged with other updatesites in p2 UI thus lets just keep the categorization. btw. why don't you want an "JBoss Application Development" ? this is exactly what that category is about. Note, the content of this becomes more clear when you add in SOA which adds even more categorization. Thus lets just keep this simple and add maven stuff into Abridged (need to check with Fred if all could/should move) and keep the categorization so it matches with the other sites used. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- max, are you saying the majority of our JBoss Tools "installations" are coming from Eclipse Marketplace instead of our updatesite? If so, then the complexity and confusion caused by having to pick up to 4 overlapping categories is likely OK-as nobody actually sees these URLs/uses these update sites. If in fact a large number of people use this updatesite then it should be much easier to determine what needs to be installed. I suggest that most people want most features/plugins - they want "JBoss Tools" without having to spend too much time thinking about what pieces are vital. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Fred Bricon commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- Of course I strongly believe that the Maven stuff should be sitting in the Abridged / Core / Whatever Main category you can find, however I would probably keep those largely untested (or troublesome), experimental Maven configurators that are JBoss packaging (SAR support for now) and JAX-RS in the Maven Category only. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ Can we be explicitly clear as to which chunks of Maven you want added to Abridged and which can stay in just the Maven category? @Fred, @Burr, please list the features (by feature ID) which are mission critical vs. those which are not. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- if neither "Abridged" nor "All" doesn't work then please suggest another word that starts with an A or some other way to get it to show up on top. Note that we are also coming out with Bugzilla/Jira integrations which aren't experiemental but also shouldn't be installed. Similar is that we are to start pushing -source bundles for these jars - thats also not something that fits into "real" vs "experiemental". The p2 updatesite UI just don't handle this well which is why things like JBoss Central and Eclipse MarketPlace have been born. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- The problem with the previous "All" was that it left out some of the most important pieces, specifically the Maven. If "All" == "Everything I need to use JBoss Central and to basically get started with EE6 dev on AS7" then I think All is workable. I am also OK with "Core" as that suggests that it is the minimum set of tools for getting started with EE6 Dev on AS7 + OpenShift. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Burr Sutter commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- Unfortunately the end-user will never see JBoss Central because it is very easy to not select based on the current categorization scheme. Based on the M4 Category names: Abridged JBoss Application Development JBoss Business Intelligence JBoss Cloud Tools JBoss Data Services JBoss Maven Support JBoss Web and Java EE Development I, the end-user, would likely select "JBoss Web and Java EE Development" or perhaps "JBoss Application Development". Abridged sounds strange so I would skip that because what I want to do is "build EE apps for JBoss" primarily. All used to work before it did not contain "everything I typically need", basically Maven was missing and it is mission critical to the whole experience. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- Before JBoss Central Update/Install functionality is in place this doesn't change - we are good for now. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt edited comment on JBIDE-10048 at 11/24/11 4:34 PM: -------------------------------------------------------------- I've added these maven features into the "AbridgedTools" category, because someone had asked that the be part of the "one-click" install: {code} <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.seam.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.seam.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jsf.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jsf.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.cdi.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.cdi.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.hibernate.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.hibernate.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.portlet.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.portlet.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.project.examples.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.project.examples.feature" version="0.0.0"> {code} But I'm not including these as they've so far been deemed "incubating", I believe: {code} <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jaxrs.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jaxrs.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jbosspackaging.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jbosspackaging.feature" version="0.0.0"> {code} You can review this file to see which features are either uncategorized or are only in a category OTHER than the "AbridgedTools" category. http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/trunk/build/aggregate/site/site... Should anything else need to be tweaked here, don't hesitate to ask. You can also review the categorization scheme by looking at this site in Eclipse, or in a browser: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/ was (Author: nickboldt): I've added these maven features into the "AbridgedTools" category, because someone had asked that the be part of the "one-click" install: {code} <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.seam.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.seam.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jsf.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jsf.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.cdi.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.cdi.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.hibernate.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.hibernate.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.portlet.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.portlet.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.project.examples.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.project.examples.feature" version="0.0.0"> {code} But I'm not including these as they've so far been deemed "incubating", I believe: {code} <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jaxrs.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jaxrs.feature" version="0.0.0"> <feature url="features/org.jboss.tools.maven.jbosspackaging.feature_0.0.0.jar" id="org.jboss.tools.maven.jbosspackaging.feature" version="0.0.0"> {code} You can review this file to see which features are either uncategorized or are only in a category OTHER than the "AbridgedTools" category. http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/trunk/build/aggregate/site/site... Should anything else need to be tweaked here, don't hesitate to ask. You can also review the categorization scheme by looking at this site in Eclipse, or in a browser: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/ -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ Yes, but we include enough disparate stuff that we're basically another Indigo. There's no "install everything" button for Indigo either, unless you include the "Select All" button in the UI itself. Maybe we just need to teach users how to use the p2 user interface? Should I provide a screenshot showing the "Select All" button highlighted on the install page [1] ? [1] https://www.jboss.org/tools/download/installation/update_3_3 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- Please tell them to use Eclipse Marketplace - just one category. And please tell which competing installation site has an "All" category in comparison with same amount of functionality ? Note, if they selected everything but Abridged they should get everything - if that is not the case something is wrong. Nick, can you double check there arent features that are *only* in abridged ? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Fred Bricon commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------- Most likely, Max will update the Eclipse Marketplace entry to point to M5 as soon as it's out. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ @Burr: Marketplace points at the latest development milestone site [2] so it updates automagically when I publish an updated milestone to the site. [2] http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/development/indigo/ -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------------ So instead of: * the link to learn more about the Eclipse Marketplace Client (MPC) and * the "favorite this @ Eclipse Marketplace" you'd rather see a whole section explaining that users should * "use Eclipse MPC in your existing Eclipse Helios bundle to install JBoss Tools?" Would that go above or below the section on JBDS? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt edited comment on JBIDE-10048 at 12/1/11 1:47 PM: ------------------------------------------------------------- So instead of: * the link to learn more about the Eclipse Marketplace Client (MPC) and * the "favorite this @ Eclipse Marketplace" you'd rather see a whole section explaining that users should * "use Eclipse MPC in your existing Eclipse Helios bundle to install JBoss Tools?" Would that go above or below the section on JBDS? Maybe I can 'shop these two images together to create a simple click-to-install banner. I guess I'd have to link to http://marketplace.eclipse.org/node/15557 ? {quote} !http://marketplace.eclipse.org/eclipse.org-common/themes/Nova/images/marketplaceLogo.png! !http://www.jboss.org/dms/tools/images/tools-banner-1180px.png! {quote} was (Author: nickboldt): So instead of: * the link to learn more about the Eclipse Marketplace Client (MPC) and * the "favorite this @ Eclipse Marketplace" you'd rather see a whole section explaining that users should * "use Eclipse MPC in your existing Eclipse Helios bundle to install JBoss Tools?" Would that go above or below the section on JBDS? Maybe I can 'shop these two images together to create a simple click-to-install banner. I guess I'd have to link to http://marketplace.eclipse.org/node/15557 ? http://marketplace.eclipse.org/eclipse.org-common/themes/Nova/images/mark... http://www.jboss.org/dms/tools/images/tools-banner-1180px.png -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- I've commited a site.xml so everything that is in Abridged is actually available from the subparts. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt updated JBIDE-10048: ------------------------------- Attachment: eclipse-mpc-links-on-jbt-downloads-page.png OK, how's this new markup? https://www.jboss.org/tools/download/ !eclipse-mpc-links-on-jbt-downloads-page.png! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Nick Boldt resolved JBIDE-10048. -------------------------------- Resolution: Done OK, done. https://www.jboss.org/tools/download/ FWIW, here's what's in JBT Abridged category for M5: !https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12349549/12349549_install-abridged-catg-from-nightly-trunk-into-jee-01.png! !https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12349550/12349550_install-abridged-catg-from-nightly-trunk-into-jee-02.png! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-10048?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-10048: --------------------------------------------- didnt realize the screenshot was actually the real page ;) Why do we have to have that dull grey background on the install and favorite button instead of the nice transparent ones provided by eclipse marketplace default ? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira