[JBoss JIRA] (JBIDE-12590) Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Nick Boldt created JBIDE-12590:
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Summary: Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
Key: JBIDE-12590
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-12590
Project: Tools (JBoss Tools)
Issue Type: Bug
Components: central, updatesite
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Nick Boldt moved JBIDE-12590 to JBDS-2274:
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Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio) (was: Tools (JBoss Tools))
Key: JBDS-2274 (was: JBIDE-12590)
Issue Type: Feature Request (was: Bug)
Component/s: central
updatesite
(was: updatesite)
(was: central)
Security: Public
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Nick Boldt updated JBDS-2274:
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Component/s: 3rdPartyCertification
3rdPartyDependencies
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Nick Boldt updated JBDS-2274:
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Affects Version/s: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Nick Boldt updated JBDS-2274:
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Fix Version/s: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Vlado Pakan commented on JBDS-2274:
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It would also make testing little bit easier.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBDS-2274:
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how does this make testing easier ? the updatesite needs the same level as testing wether
it is there by default or not.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Lucia Jelinkova commented on JBDS-2274:
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Why? If we do not promote Extras site at all and only promote Central, why should we test
the Extras site? The installation from Extras site should be "at your own risk".
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBDS-2274:
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because its the *exact* same thing. Central uses N updatesites, they should be tested.
Note: I'm talking about installation tests which can be automated. I never expect you
to do install tests + full functionallity test in both scenarioes.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Vlado Pakan commented on JBDS-2274:
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Either the tests will be automated there has to be done work to automate them and also to
maintain them. Not supporting it we can save some time without lowering usability of JBT.
In case we have only Central it's less work for QA and all update sites used by
Central are already tested automatically via automated testing of installation from
Central.
Advanced users can use installation from Central but we would not guarantee it will work
for 100%.
If we need to test all sites from extras it doesn't make sense to remove extras from
JBDS at least not for QE.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Vlado Pakan edited comment on JBDS-2274 at 9/12/12 7:49 AM:
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Either the tests will be automated there has to be done work to automate them and also to
maintain them. Not supporting it we can save some time without lowering usability of JBT.
In case we have only Central it's less work for QA and all update sites used by
Central are already tested automatically via automated testing of installation from
Central.
Advanced users can use installation from Extras update sites but we would not guarantee it
will work for 100%.
If we need to test all sites from extras it doesn't make sense to remove extras from
JBDS at least not for QE.
was (Author: vpakan):
Either the tests will be automated there has to be done work to automate them and also
to maintain them. Not supporting it we can save some time without lowering usability of
JBT.
In case we have only Central it's less work for QA and all update sites used by
Central are already tested automatically via automated testing of installation from
Central.
Advanced users can use installation from Central but we would not guarantee it will work
for 100%.
If we need to test all sites from extras it doesn't make sense to remove extras from
JBDS at least not for QE.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
able to cherry-pick what they want to install. This just obfuscates it a little.
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Len DiMaggio commented on JBDS-2274:
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I'd vote for this to make things easier for most customers, while still allowing power
users access to making their own customizations.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Nick Boldt commented on JBDS-2274:
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Max, doing installs from Central tests the Extras site by virtue of the Extras site being
the place from which the Central connectors (feature groups) come. Hiding the Extras site
simply reduces the options The Average User has when installing.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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Nick Boldt closed JBDS-2274.
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Resolution: Won't Fix
[~maxandersen] points out on dev call today that while it's true that hiding the
Extras site would encourage First Time Users to use Central instead of Help > Install
new, once you've used Central the Central update site URL gets added to your list of
Available Update Sites.
And since the Central site (Extras + Core + TP via a single composite site URL) ~= Extras
site, removing the Extras URL from the Available Update Sites only discourages the user
from installing those Extras by hand via Help > Install new THE FIRST TIME.
Closing WONTFIX as this doesn't really achieve anything.
Remove Extras site from p2.inf so JBDS OOTB does not reference the
site (and therefore users only see Central for installing 3rd party extras)
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Key: JBDS-2274
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2274
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: 3rdPartyCertification, 3rdPartyDependencies, central, updatesite
Affects Versions: 6.0.0.Alpha1
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
Fix For: 6.0.0.Alpha2
Discussion has started regarding the removal of the Extras site URL from JBDS OOTB, so as
to encourage users to get their 3rd party bits via Central instead of using the old p2 UI
approach.
This would ensure:
a) a cleaner UI experience
b) controlled access to specific groupings of functionality (Central connectors) instead
of users being able to pick&choose any feature they want (and therefore get an
incomplete experience)
Note that advanced users can still add the Central site or the Extras site once again be
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