[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- maven.source and maven.seam.source have been updated so they should be correctly named on update site (but still uncategorized). Verify in these builds: http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/devstudio-nightly-3.... http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/jbosstools-nightly-3... http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/devstudio-nightly-3.... http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/jbosstools-nightly-3... -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Koen Aers updated JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------- Attachment: screenshot-1.jpg -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- site.xml updated for M4, which now includes a "jBPM Tools" category w/ 6 features in it. Will be visible in the next non-failing build after devstudio-nightly-3.0.0.M4 #28 or bosstools-nightly-3.1.0.M4 #81 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt updated JBIDE-4859: ------------------------------ Summary: Create new categories for JBT/JBDS update sites (was: JBT Update site has uncategorized features) Component/s: Build/Releng Fix Version/s: (was: 3.1.0.M4) Description: Renamed to capture current thrust of issue: should we have more categories than we currently do on the update site? Expose more/less features? This is a branding/marketing/ease of use question, so for now I'm bouncing it over to Max for comments. (was: Checking the latest JBT 3.1.0.M3 build #H262, I see a number of uncategorized features. Some of these are acceptable; for example, Freemarker and JMX's source features are not exposed as categorized features (only their SDKs are). This is good. I also see that JBoss Profiler is NOT listed on the categorized site (as it was deliberately removed from the list - but since it's still being built, it's still available, just hidden). This too is good. However, these subfeatures are also not listed under the categorized site: * Common Tools for jBPM 3 and jBPM 4 * Flow Language Common Tools * jBPM 4 Graphical Editor and Tools Should any of those be listed under the main JBT site category? (Also, "featureName" is most likely the two Maven source features... I'll fix that.) ) Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen (was: Koen Aers) -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen updated JBIDE-4859: --------------------------------------- Priority: Blocker (was: Major) -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen updated JBIDE-4859: --------------------------------------- Attachment: site.xml site.xml is the file I used to create the suggested layout -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- 1. Not sure I like "general purpose tools" - sounds like hammers and screwdrivers... or like this is the "couldn't think of a better name" category :) 2. SDK bucket can be moved to the bottom if we call it "ze JBoss Tools SDKs" or "zat's what I call an SDK!" Seriously, if we rename "Web, XML, and Java EE" to "Java EE, XML, and Web" we could call the SDK feature "Tooling Sources" and it would be listed alphabetically at the end. Or rename "Test and Performance" to "Performance, Profiling, and Testing" and then the SDK bucket could be "Sources". 3. Is "Maven Support' really better than "Maven Integration" ? Seems to imply there will be / should be something in that bucket other than integration plugins. 4. Could we suffix the BIRT category with " (requires BIRT 2.5)" and the Maven category with " (Requires m2eclipse 0.9.9)" to further drive home the external update site dependencies? 5. is "All JBoss Tools" accurate if the BIRT, Maven, etc. stuff is NOT included? I don't have a better name suggestion; I'm just not sure it's kosher to imply that's the all-in-one feature category if it doesn't include the stuff which requires 3rd-party updates. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- 1) Update sites does not allow nested categories 2) How do you want to separate Web from Java EE ? 3) You want a Java category instead ? Better name ? Hibernate is strongly tied to Java EE (via JPA). Drools is out-of-bounds but mostly related to SOA and BRMS, is it not ? Note, I actually had Drools under Web initially, but moved them to soa since it was just were it had it strongest ties. It can also be in multiple categories if that fits better. i.e. if Drools moves out of SOA, so should jbpm and smooks too, right ? 4) Not sure why you want smooks under web/xml category ? 5) DTP would be served from Eclipse, not JBoss Tools. Having a Data services tools makes sense once we get Teiid and ModeShape in the build. Still don't think Hibernate should be in there. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] John Verhaeg commented on JBIDE-4859: ------------------------------------- Wrt the numbered items in my last post: 1) Ah, didn't realize that. That blows. 2) For this and most of the remaining items, I'm looking at this from a data services perspective (even though that won't be a part of JBT until a post-3.1 release). I'm not suggesting web development not related to Java EE, but that some web development are useful to work with in the tooling without any need for a server. For instance, Teiid has the ability to create web services mapped to back-end (usually relational) data without the need for the user to ever touch an actual server; we simply need a WSDL and access to the backend data. Having said that, this is probably the "weakest" suggestion I had for a possible change. 3) The multiple categories idea seems like it might have merit, but I completely disagree with your assessment of the purpose of Hibernate/JPA and Drools. We've used both technologies in conjunction with Teiid, Teiid Designer, and ModeShape, and none of our scenarios had anything to do with a server or J2EE. I understand that the JPA spec is technically defined within the scope of the Java EE spec, but 1) that going to change shortly, and 2) there has never been any requirement to have J2EE. Similarly, drools is really just a rules engine and has no direct tie-in to web services or SOA. jBPM does, but not drools. And again, we've made use of drools within ModeShape in areas that had nothing to do with SOA. 4) Smooks is by definition a tool for transforming data to and from XML, so I don't understand why it wouldn't intuitively be found by the user under an XML category. I guess ignore the DTP reference for now; I'm thinking of future JBT extensions we had in mind for DTP, not DTP proper. However, wrt Hibernate, even as an organization, we now manage Teiid, ModeShape, and Hibernate all under the Data Services umbrella. So I guess maybe none of my suggestions are necessarily important immediately since there isn't yet a set of data services tool within JBT, I just thought it might help us transition a bit in that direction. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- John, 2) I understand your suggestions for Data Service platform but I I would like to avoid having product names into our jboss tools community updatesite. So we need to find some better name. 3) J2EE is not JEE and JEE is not only server development. And yes I've used hibernate, drools, jbpm and almost every other major tech we got outside of a web app, i.e. commandline or fat clients - but the common denominator were Java/JEE. Java is a bit too generic so JavaEE sounded pretty god to me. Note, jbpm is not tied to SOA either - its used as pageflow engine in Seam. I understand what you are saying and open for better category names - just want to avoid single item categories ;) 4) From Smooks frontpage: "Smooks is a Java Framework/Engine for processing XML and non XML data (CSV, EDI, Java etc)." :) If just Data Services weren't so darn generic then moving Hibernate and smooks in there starts to make sense for me ? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- I've rolled out Max's prototype into the site.xml for JBT/JBDS and into the aggregateRepos.*.properties files. If there are features which should be in more than 2 categories (eg., smooks) or categories which need to be split/renamed/redescribed, let me know and I can make the change. Because no one mentioned bpel or pi4soa (and they weren't in the prototype) I've put them in SOA for now. If that's wrong, suggest a better place and they'll be moved. New site categories will be available in the following builds for review: http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/jbosstools-nightly-3... http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/view/DevStudio/job/devstudio-nightly-3.... -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Denis Golovin updated JBIDE-4859: --------------------------------- Attachment: update-new.png last build update site -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- So we didn't solve the multicategory issue ? Without it the new categories are pointless. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- I got an updated site.xml but not relevant to roll out if stupid buckminister can't handle mutli categories. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt reassigned JBIDE-4859: --------------------------------- Assignee: Nick Boldt (was: Max Rydahl Andersen) -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen updated JBIDE-4859: --------------------------------------- Attachment: newsite.xml newsite.xml with updated categories/grouping (and a few bugfixes/typofixes) -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- repo.build generation with 1:many feature:catgs works locally; committed to trunk and branch. Next we need a JBT/JBDS build to verify... -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- Birt stuff is not supposed to be activated in JBDS install - it is not supported and should not be preactivated. TPTP is not supposed to be in "all", its an optional install. jboss profiler is not ready hence why its disabled. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- Checking update site http://reports.qa.atl.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/updates/nightly/3.0.0.CR2/ (build 158) ... 1. JBoss Profiler is build but not categorized. 2. TPTP Profile on JBoss Server is built but not categorized. Should either of these be suppressed from the build? Or just hidden from the main categories until 'group items by category' is unchecked? -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-4859: -------------------------------------------- Nick, yes - please remove the profiler from the build. tptp is supposed to be in the Testing and Performance category and not be installed via "All" since it requires the whole TPTP plugin set. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

[ https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4859?page=com.atlassian.jira.plu... ] Nick Boldt commented on JBIDE-4859: ----------------------------------- + jboss profiler removed from tests build's .requires file + tptp profile on jboss server should not be included in installer - removed from builders list + will verify in next JBDS build (H11-CR3) -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the administrators: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/Administrators.jspa - For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira